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03-11-2009, 10:16 PM
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Kenny has control over the contracts; I think that if he signs either Hossa or Franzen in the next 3 days it would mean a significant boost in morale for his team.

Alright, so I just want him to sign somebody because I'm bored and there's nothing like a career signing to send the media and forum sharks into a frenzy. Nothing beats last summer's postseason signings buzz where there was never a lack of articles touting Holland as a messiah, Hossa as a possible franchise player, and a plethora of articles dripping with envy and contempt toward the Wings.

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that is definately an accident. meech sucks, always has, always will.
Draper has something like 6 points in 7 games. Let's plop him on that top line and give him 25 minutes a night!

UNLEASH THE BIG SLAPPER!!!

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03-11-2009, 10:56 PM
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Europe had peace between 1871 and 1914, world trade was integrated on an unprecedented level, military alliances and political pacts were poised to guarantee the power balance... boom!
A prolonged economic crisis rewrites the rules.

But this is all very OT... Kenny don't control this.
Not true. In Hollandland Kenny Holland would simply tell Hakan to find the best economic minds in Europe and Andersson would comply. Holland would then draft those minds 4-5 rounds later than anyone else would think possible and establish an economic dynasty which would last decades.

Then citizens would take less to stay in his country, there would be no wars (since Hollandland would simply score on the ensuing PP if another country made a fuss there would be no reason to drop the gloves), and everything would be fine until the rest of the rulers of the world elected a 4 foot tall overlord who hated Kenny Holland and Hollandland above all other things and tried to establish a worldwide zeitgeist which lifted Sheroland and their Princess Crosbina to the peak of prestige.

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Draper has something like 6 points in 7 games. Let's plop him on that top line and give him 25 minutes a night!

UNLEASH THE BIG SLAPPER!!!
the hudler argument works with draper too. this should tell us something about hudler.

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03-12-2009, 09:19 AM
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the hudler argument works with draper too. this should tell us something about hudler.
It just occurred to me that we need to find a way for the "magic Lijla dance" to run in reverse while he's concussed.

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Can't you just have multiple Lilja ghosts, as in double vision?



Can't we just stick Lilja 2 on the ice?



Isn't he technically our player since he was arrested?


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03-12-2009, 06:09 PM
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Not true. In Hollandland Kenny Holland would simply tell Hakan to find the best economic minds in Europe and Andersson would comply. Holland would then draft those minds 4-5 rounds later than anyone else would think possible and establish an economic dynasty which would last decades.

Then citizens would take less to stay in his country, there would be no wars (since Hollandland would simply score on the ensuing PP if another country made a fuss there would be no reason to drop the gloves), and everything would be fine until the rest of the rulers of the world elected a 4 foot tall overlord who hated Kenny Holland and Hollandland above all other things and tried to establish a worldwide zeitgeist which lifted Sheroland and their Princess Crosbina to the peak of prestige.

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My money's on Holland and his 3 foot tall bodyguard named Happy.

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And so begins Year 13 with a fizzle.....

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In light of today's trade I thought I'd update this and give it a little bump.

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2/27/04 - Traded RW Tomas Fleischmann + 2004 1st round pick (#29/Mike Green) + 2006 4th round pick (#122/Luke Lynes) to Washington Capitals for C Robert Lang


Ouch...

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Not true. In Hollandland Kenny Holland would simply tell Hakan to find the best economic minds in Europe and Andersson would comply. Holland would then draft those minds 4-5 rounds later than anyone else would think possible and establish an economic dynasty which would last decades.

Then citizens would take less to stay in his country, there would be no wars (since Hollandland would simply score on the ensuing PP if another country made a fuss there would be no reason to drop the gloves), and everything would be fine until the rest of the rulers of the world elected a 4 foot tall overlord who hated Kenny Holland and Hollandland above all other things and tried to establish a worldwide zeitgeist which lifted Sheroland and their Princess Crosbina to the peak of prestige.

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lmfao, sick story. tell more

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2/27/04 - Traded RW Tomas Fleischmann + 2004 1st round pick (#29/Mike Green) + 2006 4th round pick (#122/Luke Lynes) to Washington Capitals for C Robert Lang


Ouch...

Well, you really can't include Mike Green in that, that's a fluke. But it was a bad deal even without Green.

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Well, you really can't include Mike Green in that, that's a fluke. But it was a bad deal even without Green.
Fleischmann's essentially Jiri Hudler, and not even a particularly productive one until just this year. And this is happening in the East. On a team that pays about as much attention to defense as Obama. (Oh yeah, I so went there! Burn! Ooh!)

He would have been out of AHL exemptions by 2005 or 2006, and there's no way he cracks the Wings lineup in either that year or any of the succeeding ones until really this year.

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2/27/04 - Traded RW Tomas Fleischmann + 2004 1st round pick (#29/Mike Green) + 2006 4th round pick (#122/Luke Lynes) to Washington Capitals for C Robert Lang


Ouch...
I know, right? Lynes is a stud, and a Michigan boy, no less. How did we miss on that?

The effectiveness of that trade is all hindsight, on both sides, so I really don't understand why people keep bringing it up. Lang was the league's leading scorer at the time, and all it took to get him was an all-offense, no defense prospect (Fleischmann), and two picks. That's not bad, especially at the time.

...and as far as these guys that went the other way, again, it's all hindsight. Does Fleischmann ever crack the Wings lineup if he stays? What about Green? Do the Wings even select Mike Green with that pick? It's very possible they take someone like Mark Fistric or Andy Rogers instead.

Also, you need to consider something else; say the Wings actually do select Green with that pick. Does he ever become as successful as he is now in Detroit? He may, or he may not. I can tell you one thing; he'd probably never score 30 goals here, as Detroit and Washington are almost like night and day when it comes to the systems that both teams play.

Everything about that trade is hindsight. Things could have played out very differently had it not happened. Who knows; maybe the Wings could have gotten Mike Green, and he could have become the superstar that he is now with Washington. Is it a sure thing, though? No, it's not.

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In light of today's trade I thought I'd update this and give it a little bump.
I don't understand how that trade is very relevant to Holland's legacy.

It was cap management. It's not like he was trying to swing some deal to bring a key player into the team.

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I don't understand how that trade is very relevant to Holland's legacy.

It was cap management. It's not like he was trying to swing some deal to bring a key player into the team.

Who knows? Maybe OKT becomes a beast in Detroit.
Or Leino scores 300 goals over the next 8 years.
Or that fifth rounder is used to draft the next Zetterberg.

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3/23/99 - Traded D Anders Eriksson + 1999 1st round pick (#23/Steve McCarthy) + 2001 1st round pick (#29/Adam Munro) to Chicago Blackhawks for D Chris Chelios



Solid early move I didn't hear mentioned in the first couple pages.

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Updated with Year 13 complete and the beginning of Year 14.

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if he was our gm starting in 97..who was it prior..sorry i was like 10 and too lazy to look it up..

Was it Brian Murrary or whatever that POS name is?

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Awesome. Yes.

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Done.
Awesome. Yes.

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Boooo! It's a great resource, that's why it should be stickied.

Ken Holland and Jim Nill are currently negotiating with the Ilitch Family and the Red Wings for new contracts. There is no salary cap, thankfully, off the ice; both men will be paid well.

Keeping Jim Nill is vital. He is a key element of our scouting system. He agreed to a contract which prevented him taking jobs with any other teams last time. It is likely he will do the same if he inks a new deal with the club. Such loyalty has its price.

We know Ken Holland is staying, it's why Yzerman is leaving and I am sad. It would be interesting if the term of his new contract is the same length as the one Yzerman signed in Tampa.

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Holland is going to take a huge step back in my mind if we lose Ritola for nothing like we did Quincey.

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if he was our gm starting in 97..who was it prior..sorry i was like 10 and too lazy to look it up..

Was it Brian Murrary or whatever that POS name is?
Bowman was the GM before Holland.

Murray was before Bowman

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He the most interesting stat. Since the lockout Ken Holland has traded away only 3 players who actually played for the team and none of them were considered key parts at the time of the trade.

Jaime Rivers 3/06
Jason Williams 2/07
Ville Leino 2/10

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