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6/3 Discussion - How would last year's team looked under Lemaire?

View Poll Results: How would last year's team performed under Lemaire?
Better 6 46.15%
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About the same 5 38.46%
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06-03-2010, 02:55 PM
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6/3 Discussion - How would last year's team looked under Lemaire?

For years, pundits have said that Lemaire has gotten the most out of a mediocre-subpar team. While I'm happy that the team has turned a new page, how would they have performed last year under Lemaire?

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I voted "about the same"...they would have had a strong start rather than a weak one, but they likely would have choked against the strong teams rather than all those amazing comeback wins. Might have finished a few spots higher in the standings, but out of the playoffs.

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I voted for "better". I feel this way because I think the team would have gotten off to a stronger start. They had to learn a new system, coaching staff, GM, etc. and it was obvious that they didn't understand the system at the beginning (arguably throughout the season). With that said, there still wasn't enough talent to do anything in the playoffs (I would say they would have either just missed it or just made it).

Overall, I think Lemaire is a great hockey mind and coach but getting the most out of mediocre talent gets us back to the question of lucky or consistency and we have already discussed that in another thread.

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Also keep in mind Lemaire had a lot of talent in NJ but couldn't get much out of those guys down the stretch or in the playoffs.

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While I would agree that NJ had more talent, I wouldn't say they had a ton of it. Their D corps isn't all that impressive, Brodeur is past his prime (still a great goalie) and outside of Elias/Langenbrunner/Zajac/Parise, they don't have much. Again, I'm not contending that the Wild were better but I don't think that NJ has the D corps to be considered a perennial contender.

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I voted for "better". I feel this way because I think the team would have gotten off to a stronger start. They had to learn a new system, coaching staff, GM, etc. and it was obvious that they didn't understand the system at the beginning (arguably throughout the season). With that said, there still wasn't enough talent to do anything in the playoffs (I would say they would have either just missed it or just made it).
This is pretty much my take. We would be better but the problems would still remain.

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Still wouldn't of made the playoffs so it doesn't matter

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Havlat wouldn't have signed here under Lemaire, so it wouldn't have been the same team.

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While I would agree that NJ had more talent, I wouldn't say they had a ton of it. Their D corps isn't all that impressive, Brodeur is past his prime (still a great goalie) and outside of Elias/Langenbrunner/Zajac/Parise, they don't have much. Again, I'm not contending that the Wild were better but I don't think that NJ has the D corps to be considered a perennial contender.
Compared to the Wild, their forward talent was off the charts.

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Other: "better" is so subjective. less exciting, but probably better in the standings. we'd have far better special teams performance (and no where near the shorthanded against opportunities) and fewer odd man rushes against, too.

But we're still in the re-tooling mode so you have to expect something like that the first year. or i did, anyway.

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Compared to the Wild, their forward talent was off the charts.
ain't that the truth. no comparison.

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Other: "better" is so subjective. less exciting, but probably better in the standings. we'd have far better special teams performance (and no where near the shorthanded against opportunities) and fewer odd man rushes against, too.

But we're still in the re-tooling mode so you have to expect something like that the first year. or i did, anyway.
There's a reason for that.

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ha, and to qualify "better" properly would have made for too many choices on a Multi-choice poll.

This team: not as good, but more fun to watch IMO. but then a train wreck is more fun to watch than a train just lazily (safely) trundling by.

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I'd say we would have been the same or slightly better. We probably don't get Havlat, but we won't give up that many goals either. 11th-13th under JL.

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Compared to the Wild, their forward talent was off the charts.
Then how come it took a late reversal from both teams for the Devils to finish ever so slightly ahead of the Wild in goals for.


If the Devils did have much more forward talent, they obviously underachieved.

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Compared to the Wild, their forward talent was off the charts.
That's a bit of a hyperbole. Parise is awesome. Koivu is better than the rest of their forwards. Elias is not what he was, Langenbrunner is solid and Zajac is a poor man's Koivu. Lats, Havlat, Koivu and Bruno are not that far off when looking at the four forwards together. Individually, yes, but those two sets together are solid...

Again, NJD had a better team but it wasn't stacked or a cup contending group of individuals.

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Parise >> Koivu
Elias >> Brunio
Langenbrunner >>>> Miettinen
Zajac >> Latendresse
Rolston << Havlat
Zubrus >> Brodziak
Neidermayer >>>> Sheppard
Clarkson > Clutterbuck

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we'd still be out of the playoffs, but just at a lower first round pick. Either way im glad we are trying something new, instead of the same old just out of the playoffs with a mid pick.

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What a bunch of underachievers those Devils are if those rankings are correct, Talon.

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Devils: 2nd in the East; Atlantic Division champions
Wild: 13th in the West; thankful Edmonton had the decency to get injured and tank

Yes, the Devils slightly underachieved this year but that has more to do with the playoffs than their forwards.

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What a bunch of underachievers those Devils are if those rankings are correct, Talon.
They absolutely underachieved when the playoffs started, I completely agree! Go figure though, the team that beat them in the playoffs is still playing. Everyone is considering them a bunch of overachievers.

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Devils: 2nd in the East; Atlantic Division champions
Wild: 13th in the West; thankful Edmonton had the decency to get injured and tank

Yes, the Devils slightly underachieved this year but that has more to do with the playoffs than their forwards.
Forwards, Gopher, forwards. Not goalies, defensemen, or coaches.

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They absolutely underachieved when the playoffs started, I completely agree! Go figure though, the team that beat them in the playoffs is still playing. Everyone is considering them a bunch of overachievers.
Do I have to ask you again why the Wild were about 10-12 spots ahead of the Devils in goals for until the season didn't matter for us (and they grabbed Kovi)?

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Forwards, Gopher, forwards. Not goalies, defensemen, or coaches.



Do I have to ask you again why the Wild were about 10-12 spots ahead of the Devils in goals for until the season didn't matter for us (and they grabbed Kovi)?
Yeah, as we all know goals for = talent level...

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