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06-05-2010, 05:24 PM
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Vanek's agent had more than one team lined up to make an offer-sheet for his player. There was no option for Buffalo re-signing Thomas early, he was going the RFA offer-sheet route with his agent's influence all along.
I can't conclude there was no re-signing option because Regier never pursued it. He should have made Vanek a good offer and played on his sense of loyalty and desire to win. Regier could have offered something like $28 million/5 yrs and told the media we'll match an offer sheet, but if it goes that way it'll hurt our ability to build a competitive team. Then a front office source could have leaked the contract offer details to put the pressure on Vanek. The media would have put Vanek between a rock and a hard place. That's probably what Brian Burke would have done. As far as I know the only offer Vanek received was a qualifying offer. Regier sat on the tracks and let a train coming from thousands of miles away run him over. His negotiating skills leave a lot to be desired. Vanek still may have waited for the offer sheet, but when I know something bad is coming I do everything in my power to stop it. I assumed that was a basic human response. Is Darcy even human?

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06-05-2010, 05:47 PM
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Vanek's agent had more than one team lined up to make an offer-sheet for his player. There was no option for Buffalo re-signing Thomas early, he was going the RFA offer-sheet route with his agent's influence all along.
Is this substantiated anywhere, or is it just speculation?

Offer sheets are still very rare, and they really weren't a consideration until after the Vanek offer sheet. I think it's a major stretch to say that Vanek's agent had this in mind the whole time and was going after an offer sheet at all costs.

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06-05-2010, 06:04 PM
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Is this substantiated anywhere, or is it just speculation?

Offer sheets are still very rare, and they really weren't a consideration until after the Vanek offer sheet. I think it's a major stretch to say that Vanek's agent had this in mind the whole time and was going after an offer sheet at all costs.
Bartlett was soliciting offer sheets. He had no intent to sign a contract with Buffalo until he exhausted the process of seeing what offer sheets would bring. He correctly predicted that a player of Vanek's age, coming off an 87-point season, would get a big offer. I know this happened with 100% certainty, which is why I get so upset with people who revise the history of what happened in that case. Do I know how many teams who faxed over an offer sheet? I don't. But I do know for a fact that he was soliciting the offer sheets.

He and my step-father periodically play golf together. They had a professional relationship from when my step-father did some IP work for SCG. They're somewhere between "friends" and "acquaintences." I think "golf buddies" is a fair phrase to use. I certainly don't have any other insider information when it comes to Bartlett and his players (frankly, I don't seek it and wouldn't expect my step-father to), but I do know this.

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06-05-2010, 07:13 PM
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Bartlett was soliciting offer sheets. He had no intent to sign a contract with Buffalo until he exhausted the process of seeing what offer sheets would bring. He correctly predicted that a player of Vanek's age, coming off an 87-point season, would get a big offer. I know this happened with 100% certainty, which is why I get so upset with people who revise the history of what happened in that case. Do I know how many teams who faxed over an offer sheet? I don't. But I do know for a fact that he was soliciting the offer sheets.
I don't think there's any disputing that. However Bartlett wasn't permitted to solicit offer sheets until July 1st. Regier had from Jan 1st until June 30th with exclusive rights to try to negotiate an extension. He sat on his hands for 6 months accepting the offer sheet as a fait accompli with the mindset "we're not going to waste our time trying to negotiate with Vanek because he's going to wait for an offer sheet". It's inexcusable not to make an effort.

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It doesn't really matter what Regier says or doesn't say - every decision or direction that is made on hockey personnel comes from Quinn and no one else.

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06-05-2010, 09:08 PM
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It doesn't really matter what Regier says or doesn't say - every decision or direction that is made on hockey personnel comes from Quinn and no one else.
That's simply not true. Golisano isn't going to pay someone to be a figurehead. No sane owner is.

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06-06-2010, 09:08 AM
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No. He had no value because he just suffered a performance impacting wrist injury - one that nobody in the league knew if he'd come back from. Hence him only getting a tryout contract from one of the worst teams in the league (who happened to also have a Russian as their star player)

And I can fill in the blanks from your earlier post.....



Darcy Regier made a great decision with: Ryan Miller
That Miller choice was 11 seasons ago, and he lucked out on him in the 5th round.Just look at the last few seasons of Regier's work, and you'll see how pitiful his performance is.

Wasting 2 2nd rounders in a row on Torres and Moore.Wasting a 2nd and 3rd for a 5/6 d-man in Rivet with overrated leadership and deteriorating playing skills.Overpaying for Gaustad,and Pominville (). How many of his top selections has he totally flubbed?Kruikov,Novotny,Persson,Zagrapan,Brennan?

Be happy with lucking out to a division win (Even though the 3rd and 4th place division teams made it farther then us : )

And just wait til this off-season, when Buffalo makes zero impact additions, same old song from Darcy..."The market wasn't right" "The money thrown around was to crazy for us"

It's funny, everyone around here ridicules teams that spend through FA, saying it isn't the "right" way to try to compete, even though we have never known for ourselves how it would turn out, one of Darcy's best lines is saying he would rather be active in the trade then FA market, which shows how terrible he is with assets, trades you have to give to get, FA you just have to open the wallet.

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06-06-2010, 09:15 AM
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Rivet with overrated leadership
Now that's worthy.

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Now that's worthy.
Please, if he is this great captain everyone thinks of him as, maybe our team wouldn't have folded like a house made of cards in the postseason.Just because he is the "best" leader on a team full of followers, doesn't make him a good leader.Grier is a much better leader, and he makes a third of what Rivet does.Only one more season of Rivet, and then hopefully no more wannabe toughguys on the backend with no mobility or skills.

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That Miller choice was 11 seasons ago, and he lucked out on him in the 5th round.Just look at the last few seasons of Regier's work, and you'll see how pitiful his performance is.

Wasting 2 2nd rounders in a row on Torres and Moore.Wasting a 2nd and 3rd for a 5/6 d-man in Rivet with overrated leadership and deteriorating playing skills.Overpaying for Gaustad,and Pominville (). How many of his top selections has he totally flubbed?Kruikov,Novotny,Persson,Zagrapan,Brennan?

Be happy with lucking out to a division win (Even though the 3rd and 4th place division teams made it farther then us : )

And just wait til this off-season, when Buffalo makes zero impact additions, same old song from Darcy..."The market wasn't right" "The money thrown around was to crazy for us"

It's funny, everyone around here ridicules teams that spend through FA, saying it isn't the "right" way to try to compete, even though we have never known for ourselves how it would turn out, one of Darcy's best lines is saying he would rather be active in the trade then FA market, which shows how terrible he is with assets, trades you have to give to get, FA you just have to open the wallet.
So resigning Miller just doesn't count because it doesn't fit your argument?

I'm also not sure how you "luck" into winning your division when you were a 3rd period goal from the #2 seed in the conference, played in a division with the most playoff competitors, and ended up 6 (would have been 7 without the ENG against) points clear of the nearest opponent.

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How many of his top selections has he totally flubbed?Kruikov,Novotny,Persson,Zagrapan,Brennan?
Brennan? Really? Is he even 21 yet?

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How many of his top selections has he totally flubbed?Kruikov,Novotny,Persson,Zagrapan,Brennan?
Myers...Ennis...

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Both sides can make selective compilations and come to the conclusion that advances their agenda. But there's no dispute that Regier has done a lot of good things and made a lot of mistakes. And this is what these threads ultimately devolve into. Henceforth, I am completely ignoring these dumb threads and I encourage others to do the same.

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That's simply not true. Golisano isn't going to pay someone to be a figurehead. No sane owner is.
I think the question that others and myself have about the situation is where is the line drawn. Who has more influence? What restrictions does Darcy face when trying to make moves?

If we bring in another GM, it's not going to be some strong willed figure that would tread on Quinn's toes. It's likely going to be someone in a much weaker position than Darcy.

I'd like to be sure that the situation is actually beneficial and not giving Quinn more control which I feel would be disastrous.

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Please, if he is this great captain everyone thinks of him as, maybe our team wouldn't have folded like a house made of cards in the postseason.Just because he is the "best" leader on a team full of followers, doesn't make him a good leader.Grier is a much better leader, and he makes a third of what Rivet does.Only one more season of Rivet, and then hopefully no more wannabe toughguys on the backend with no mobility or skills.
So you're a Sabre tuned into what actually happens in the locker room?

You have ZERO idea of what really goes on in there. Absolutely none. Unless you're a member of the team or maybe even the media.

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Brennan? Really? Is he even 21 yet?
Yeah...Brennan doesn't belong in that list.

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So you're a Sabre tuned into what actually happens in the locker room?

You have ZERO idea of what really goes on in there. Absolutely none. Unless you're a member of the team or maybe even the media.
No, not a player but a fan who watched this team play in the postseason.This team had no determination or desire to win, whatsoever.Our great leader lead us to a 6 game embarrassment of a series.

This team has no elite skater who everyone can look up to when the times are rough....Drury and Briere were our last 2.

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No, not a player but a fan who watched this team play in the postseason.This team had no determination or desire to win, whatsoever.Our great leader lead us to a 6 game embarrassment of a series.

This team has no elite skater who everyone can look up to when the times are rough....Drury and Briere were our last 2.


While your second point may be true, your first is certainly not. Rivet played with TWO TORN LABRUMS.

It's nearly impossible to play hockey with one torn labrum, let alone two.

If that's not leading by example, I don't know what is.

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That's simply not true. Golisano isn't going to pay someone to be a figurehead. No sane owner is.
Agreed. Totally ridiculous to come up with some nonsensical Quinn-is-the-GM conspiracy theory. Completely untrue.

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No, not a player but a fan who watched this team play in the postseason.This team had no determination or desire to win, whatsoever.Our great leader lead us to a 6 game embarrassment of a series.
I don't care if the Sabres had zombie George Patton leading them. Their power play sucked. You can't go 0-for-18 with the man advantage and only 13-of-17 on the PK and expect to win a series. Special teams ineffectiveness is why Buffalo went golfing early.

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I don't care if the Sabres had zombie George Patton leading them. Their power play sucked. You can't go 0-for-18 with the man advantage and only 13-of-17 on the PK and expect to win a series. Special teams ineffectiveness is why Buffalo went golfing early.
What does that mean then?They got completely outcoached, outplayed or both.Either way, it means this team needs serious changes all over the place and yet we will continue with the status quo, don't kid yourselves or think for a second we will add any premier talent this off-season.

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lets make some more excuses for what we've witnessed in the last 4 years. nothing to see here, move along. im sure everything will work out, gotta trust the guys upstairs.. hey, pass that purple stuff. MMmMMMM

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lets make some more excuses for what we've witnessed in the last 4 years. nothing to see here, move along. im sure everything will work out, gotta trust the guys upstairs.. hey, pass that purple stuff. MMmMMMM
Purple stuff? Don't tell me we're all out of Sunny D.

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lets make some more excuses for what we've witnessed in the last 4 years. nothing to see here, move along. im sure everything will work out, gotta trust the guys upstairs.. hey, pass that purple stuff. MMmMMMM
There's a difference between making excuses and passing the kool-aid vs. looking at each situation objectively and judging it on merit.

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Brilliant!

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Purple stuff? Don't tell me we're all out of Sunny D.


The effect on the can is just too perfect for this board.

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