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06-08-2010, 01:51 PM
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A hoax eh?

In any case, for those who question Spezza's contract, he makes 200K more than Kopi and puts up just as good if not better numbers.

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06-08-2010, 02:02 PM
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A hoax eh?

In any case, for those who question Spezza's contract, he makes 200K more than Kopi and puts up just as good if not better numbers.
Points be damned, they are far from the same player, for a whole mess of reasons.

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Points be damned, they are far from the same player, for a whole mess of reasons.
Agreed, but Spezza would make a good #2 center. He wouldn't have the pressure of being the guy, much like Marleau without the "C" on his chest. Spezza is a good plan C or D, the only problem is that the Senators might want to move him before July 1st. Who knows....

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Agreed, but Spezza would make a good #2 center. He wouldn't have the pressure of being the guy, much like Marleau without the "C" on his chest. Spezza is a good plan C or D, the only problem is that the Senators might want to move him before July 1st. Who knows....
I get what you are saying, but... OK, so Spezza can pass real nice... who is going to bury those pucks?

I don't think he can expect THAT huge a production increase out of Williams/Brown/Smyth with a different center. The problem on the team is not a lack of playmaking ability, in fact we have an abundance of that and a complete lack of finishers. Adding a playmaker, whether its a center or not, doesn't make us a stronger team at burying pucks, or give us that "no question" goal guy. The one who can semi-regularly come down the wing and rip a shot past the goalie, much like how Sharp has been for the Hawks. We need THAT guy. I just want the best of the best in Kovy

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06-08-2010, 03:00 PM
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DL has said that he wants a 1a and 1b centers on the kings in order to compete. Spezza could be a great 1b but I wouldn't rule out 1a as he's probably a better playmaker than Kopi.

Personally, I would still opt for Thornton for a year or two until Schenn was ready.

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06-08-2010, 03:45 PM
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DL has said that he wants a 1a and 1b centers on the kings in order to compete. Spezza could be a great 1b but I wouldn't rule out 1a as he's probably a better playmaker than Kopi.

Personally, I would still opt for Thornton for a year or two until Schenn was ready.
When did he say that? I remember him saying center depth is key, but never saying 1a 1b.

By the by, why do you like big, talented SOFT centers?

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06-08-2010, 04:12 PM
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I have a question on contract extensions...

If we extend Doughty, Johnson, and Simmonds before the 2011 off-season, does their cap hit go up for the 2010-2011 season (at the moment of their signing), or does the change not occur until the 2011-2012 season (when I guess the new contract actually kicks in)?

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06-08-2010, 04:17 PM
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I have a question on contract extensions...

If we extend Doughty, Johnson, and Simmonds before the 2011 off-season, does their cap hit go up for the 2010-2011 season (at the moment of their signing), or does the change not occur until the 2011-2012 season (when I guess the new contract actually kicks in)?
They can sign all of them on July 1st and they will have the same cap hit for next season (2010-11) as they do without a new contract. The cap hit changes the 1st season of their new contract (2011-12).

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They can sign all of them on July 1st and they will have the same cap hit for next season (2010-11) as they do without a new contract. The cap hit changes the 1st season of their new contract (2011-12).
Ok thank you, that's what I figured but wanted to make sure.

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06-08-2010, 07:53 PM
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When did he say that? I remember him saying center depth is key, but never saying 1a 1b.

By the by, why do you like big, talented SOFT centers?

Don't remember when he said it but it was quite awhile ago. I'm surprised this is the first time you've heard of it as it's been mentioned fairly often on our board.

As for the soft centers...it isn't that I'm into softies as you already know but Schenn isn't quite ready to carry the load that is required of a 2nd line centerman and Stoll is well, just Stoll-bleh!

Get rid of Stoll, Smyth and JW and we should be ok with the new editions.

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06-08-2010, 08:59 PM
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Get rid of Stoll, Smyth and JW and we should be ok with the new editions.
Too much turnover from season to season is bad for any team. You shouldn't move players that are already playing a solid role on your team. Letting Frolov walk and signing Kovalchuk is the only major move required this off season.

Filling the middle pairing defense isn't critical for next season (not hard to replace Jones). The #4 spot can be addressed next off season once we know how much Doughty, Johnson and Simmonds are actually going to make. No reason to sign a high priced UFA defenseman when Hickey, Voynov, Muzzin, Teubert, Martinez, Drewiske, Campbell, etc are waiting in the wings.

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06-08-2010, 09:23 PM
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Too much turnover from season to season is bad for any team. You shouldn't move players that are already playing a solid role on your team. Letting Frolov walk and signing Kovalchuk is the only major move required this off season.

Filling the middle pairing defense isn't critical for next season (not hard to replace Jones). The #4 spot can be addressed next off season once we know how much Doughty, Johnson and Simmonds are actually going to make. No reason to sign a high priced UFA defenseman when Hickey, Voynov, Muzzin, Teubert, Martinez, Drewiske, Campbell, etc are waiting in the wings.
I understand your concern for the changes that I'm suggesting, believe me, I get that team chemistry doesn't develop over night. However, I'm willing to bet that the lineup you're suggesting even with the addition of Kovy and minus Jones won't quite be good as this lineup when everything is said and done:

Kovy-Kopi-Simmonds
Whitney-Thornton-Brown

Yeah, it's only on paper but I can't see too many people arguing that Stoll and Smyth are better option than Whitney and Thornton.

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06-08-2010, 09:27 PM
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Kovy-Kopi-Simmonds
Whitney-Thornton-Brown

Yeah, it's only on paper but I can't see too many people arguing that Stoll and Smyth are better option than Whitney and Thornton.
That would be awesome for NHL 11, but not real life. I don't see Smyth waiving his NMC either and I don't expect Lombardi to ask.

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That would be awesome for NHL 11, but not real life. I don't see Smyth waiving his NMC either and I don't expect Lombardi to ask.
Well no. The point of the discussion was that you said "no" to too many changes and my point was that although the number of changes are a bit risky, it can be an improvement. That was my point.

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I understand your concern for the changes that I'm suggesting, believe me, I get that team chemistry doesn't develop over night. However, I'm willing to bet that the lineup you're suggesting even with the addition of Kovy and minus Jones won't quite be good as this lineup when everything is said and done:

Kovy-Kopi-Simmonds
Whitney-Thornton-Brown

Yeah, it's only on paper but I can't see too many people arguing that Stoll and Smyth are better option than Whitney and Thornton.
Dude, I can't take it. I can't take reading your posts. What's with all these 14 year old pipe dream lineups you constantly dream up during the day?

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Dude, I can't take it. I can't take reading your posts. What's with all these 14 year old pipe dream lineups you constantly dream up during the day?
there's a thing called "ignore" button.

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I get what you are saying, but... OK, so Spezza can pass real nice... who is going to bury those pucks?

I don't think he can expect THAT huge a production increase out of Williams/Brown/Smyth with a different center. The problem on the team is not a lack of playmaking ability, in fact we have an abundance of that and a complete lack of finishers. Adding a playmaker, whether its a center or not, doesn't make us a stronger team at burying pucks, or give us that "no question" goal guy. The one who can semi-regularly come down the wing and rip a shot past the goalie, much like how Sharp has been for the Hawks. We need THAT guy. I just want the best of the best in Kovy
Nah, let's get Sharp instead. I have been in favor of that all along.

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I understand your concern for the changes that I'm suggesting, believe me, I get that team chemistry doesn't develop over night. However, I'm willing to bet that the lineup you're suggesting even with the addition of Kovy and minus Jones won't quite be good as this lineup when everything is said and done:

Kovy-Kopi-Simmonds
Whitney-Thornton-Brown

Yeah, it's only on paper but I can't see too many people arguing that Stoll and Smyth are better option than Whitney and Thornton.

It's not just about "names" "skill" and "stats" at this level... it is about determination and a willingness to sacrifice for team mates.
That is what we are developing. And that is what you don't screw with by thinking your team will automatically improve with the addition of a guy with better stats or more all star appearances.

There's a reason Smyth is called "Captain Canada"....

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Nah, let's get Sharp instead. I have been in favor of that all along.
Sharp has convinced me this playoffs that he is a highly worthy pick up.

I just doubt in a big way the Hawks let him go.

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Kovy, Marleau, Spezza, Sharp, Buff, Hamhius, Frolov.....................man I can't wait to July 2nd. Either I will be drinkin some nice cold one's celebrating or my wife will kill me because I will be grumpy as f...

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Sharp has convinced me this playoffs that he is a highly worthy pick up.

I just doubt in a big way the Hawks let him go.
Well they have to trade somebody, and he's one of the few guys that other GM's would take regarding his skill & contract value. No one will take Huet and his $5 million or Campbell and his $7 million contracts. I think it'll be Sharp or Versteeg....

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You people are ridiculous, no way are we getting Thornton or Spezza. Marleau, maybe.

Kings have already almost 15 million commited to just to 3 centers in Kopi, Stoll and Handzus.

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Dude, I can't take it. I can't take reading your posts. What's with all these 14 year old pipe dream lineups you constantly dream up during the day?
You may want to read all the prior posts before you go mouthing off. Yeah, it is a dream of a lineup but that wasn't the point of the discussion. You'd know that if you had read prior posts.

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You people are ridiculous, no way are we getting Thornton or Spezza. Marleau, maybe.

Kings have already almost 15 million commited to just to 3 centers in Kopi, Stoll and Handzus.
Again, read all the prior posts before sounding off!!!

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