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06-09-2010, 08:23 AM
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love prospal but i think i'd rather see us go with a younger movement. By that I mean I'd rather see us bring up 2 power forwards in both weise and byers. I think it's time to give avery more duty on this team, he is a great passer and he possesses the puck tremendously and that will open ice for our skill players. Therefore, I really wouldn't mind going with a line-up with forwards like this...

Dubi-Christensen-Gaborik
Avery-Anisimov-MZA
Byers-Drury-Callahan
Prust-Boyle-Weise
Voros
That second line has disaster written all over it. Avery has not proven that he's able to provide anything near consistent enough offense to be in a top 6. And Anisimov's only real success came with two big grinders that could cycle the puck with him and give him room. In this situation, you have him with 2 undersized players, 1 of which is certainly incapable of playing along the boards because he can't stay upright for more than 2 seconds and the other is a rookie that no one knows what to expect of yet.

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06-09-2010, 08:29 AM
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in my head, Shelly, Drury and Redden are not on this team.

Which would allow us the ability to plug some very glaring holes in the top 6 and allow for interchangable parts on the bottom 6 between the following players

Prust, Callahan, Avery, Weise, Anisimov and Byers

Zucko, in my opinion, needs to play on the 2nd line with a playmaking center to get the most out of his abilities.
Don't we live in reality where Drury and Redden are on the team?

Dale Weise is not a center and thoug. I like him I'm not sure he's more "ready" than Byers.

So you didn't like Betts and now you don't like Boyle. Maybe you don't like 4th liners...lower your expectations for bottom line guys..

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06-09-2010, 08:32 AM
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I'm hoping Shelley+Prust are re-signed, Byers makes the team, Boyle gets traded at the draft. 4th line of Shelley-Prust-Byers. Voros in the pressbox.

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06-09-2010, 08:36 AM
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love prospal but i think i'd rather see us go with a younger movement. By that I mean I'd rather see us bring up 2 power forwards in both weise and byers. I think it's time to give avery more duty on this team, he is a great passer and he possesses the puck tremendously and that will open ice for our skill players. Therefore, I really wouldn't mind going with a line-up with forwards like this...

Dubi-Christensen-Gaborik
Avery-Anisimov-MZA
Byers-Drury-Callahan
Prust-Boyle-Weise
Voros

I know, I know tons of grit no real scoring threats outside gaborik but whataaayaa gonna do
Well, what you're going to do is re-sign Vinny at a good price. I don't mind the youth movement and getting younger. If you're going to tell me that Grachev is replacing Vinny I'd be more open to it. From all accounts Grachev might not even be ready to make the jump this year, let alone us expect him to be a top 6 player, but I'd tolerate that more because that's what we'll expect of him in the future.

Not bringing back Vinny just so you can bring in Byers and Weise makes zero sense to me.

And I love Avery to death and defend him against everyone. His skill is vastly underrated, as is his passing and play making ability. However, there's a reason his point totals are always less than we expect from watching him. And I'm not talking about the injuries. The guy just can't bury pucks consistently. He's not a true goal scorer. He's got everything but that touch. I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.

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06-09-2010, 08:49 AM
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That second line has disaster written all over it. Avery has not proven that he's able to provide anything near consistent enough offense to be in a top 6. And Anisimov's only real success came with two big grinders that could cycle the puck with him and give him room. In this situation, you have him with 2 undersized players, 1 of which is certainly incapable of playing along the boards because he can't stay upright for more than 2 seconds and the other is a rookie that no one knows what to expect of yet.
???? sean avery is a puck possession monster

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06-09-2010, 09:23 AM
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I would really like to see Byers on the ice with Prust. There is no need for Shelley to play every night, give Byers 40-50 games and keep him up with the NHL squad.

Prust-Boyle-Byers
There's several other forwards on this team that could be moved or let go. Boyle being one of them. I'm still scratching my head as to how brain Boyle became some kind of lock on this team. The guy sucks barbwire. He's big and barely ever uses his size to his advantage. He's also a docile witlting flower.

What the hell he's doing on this team and on the Forth Line, is beyond me.

Sorry, his Penalty Kill skills are not all that good. He's okay. he had maybe a handfull of games this seasons where he was good. Other than that, he's a waste of space.

Give me a Fourth Line of Prust, Byers or Weise and Shelly or whoever else who may come down the road.

Prust can also seamlessly slip up to the Third Line and perofrm very well. As he proved this past season. Prust has a little more skill than Shelly or Boyle. And he skates better, has a ton more fire, a ton more tenacity, is fearless and throws the body around consistently. All of these are elements this team desperately needs!!

It would be braindead foolish for Sather to let Prust walk away. Plain stupid.

Shelly is a nice insurance policy to have. He doesn't have to play every night, because of his age. Rotate him in and out of the libeup as needed, for the first three months of the season. But they'lll need him as the games get tougher.

People are forgetting the effort and contribution that Prust andn Shelly made down the stretch, for this team. Which were much more significant and effective than anything Biyle has ever done.

So yeah, let's get rid of the players who actually played balls to the wall, stood up and defended their teammates, have endless clourage and....... had a positive impact and actually contributed significantly; so we can keep flower boy Boyle


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06-09-2010, 09:39 AM
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Boyle is never going to be a feared banger but I don't know if I am ready to give up on him yet. When you have a 6'7 center, it's going to take some time for him to put all the pieces together.

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Boyle is never going to be a feared banger but I don't know if I am ready to give up on him yet. When you have a 6'7 center, it's going to take some time for him to put all the pieces together.
Yeah, towards the end of the season he got better.

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06-09-2010, 10:37 AM
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Boyle is never going to figure it out... He's just lacking in too many areas. Quickness in the small area isn't a huge strength, his skating is OK, but he simply cannot create. doesn't play physical enough consistently. he has decent finishing ability and can really let a shot go, but he can't get the space necessary to make it matter Has little vision as well... Work rate was inconsistent as well.

You have to keep Shelley... Shelley did everything that Torts initially wanted out of Brashear. He's physical. Has actual hitting ability that makes people at least a bit scared. Has enough speed that Orr didn't have to actually make hits consistently and play at a better level. Has some skill as well where he can actually make a difference and not be a liability. Throw in the legitimate heavyweight fighting ability, and that is a plus as well. And although people STILL just disregard it, a player's lockerroom qualities actually goes for something in pro sports.

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Don't we live in reality where Drury and Redden are on the team?

Dale Weise is not a center and thoug. I like him I'm not sure he's more "ready" than Byers.

So you didn't like Betts and now you don't like Boyle. Maybe you don't like 4th liners...lower your expectations for bottom line guys..
Would prefer to have a 4th liner that is actually a little physical.

Betts was what he was. A guy that could kill some penalties, but offered nothing else at all. No physicality, no offence.

Boyle is also super limited in what he can offer as he is just another PK specialist, however, with the frame that he has, he CAN offer so much more, unfortunately it's not in him to be the physical presence he could/should be.

We have in our system guys that can provide the physicality AND be a decent PK'er. Why allow someone like Boyle to block their path.

My expectations for actual production from 4th liners is very low. However, I do expect them to be physical and responsible. Something that I feel we are/were only getting half out of from either Betts or Boyle.

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06-09-2010, 10:53 AM
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Not a fan. Every time I watch him he's a big body that doesn't use it very well.

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Byers really deserves a full shot at the NHL this season. Hope he gets it.

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06-09-2010, 11:10 AM
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Byers really deserves a full shot at the NHL this season. Hope he gets it.
The thing is that he may deserve a shot, but it's generally easier to find effective 3rd to 4th line players so the competition is pretty decent for those spots.

If he can't win a spot out of camp then that's kind of how it goes....

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Both Weise and Byers have similar numbers in the AHL to Callahan and since they have a slight size advantage their ceiling should be in a similar area to Callahan. Will they reach it? of course that is no guarantee but every Ranger fan should be excited that two players can possibly come in and play like Cally and with their extra size the Rangers will finally be flush with some tough, physical players who can contribute 30-40 points.

Boyle is cemented by many people b/c
A) He was there all last year
B) Lack of any other options.

Boyle may be a cupcake especially for his size but like with A.A. if you surround him with tough guys like Prust and SHelly and now Byers and/or Weise, you might actually get something from the guy.

That said I don't like Weise and Byers b/c they can make Boyle better, ******* Boyle and everyone who looks like Boyle, no I like those two b/c they're two rough, gritty, hard working players who could match Cally and even surpass him. Plus Cally is a great forechecker...we get another one of those it only makes the team better.

Here's hoping they both make the team and put in the effort of our co Cap.

Also the lines put up may look sh*** but that's b/c it's what this team is going to be! People want Kovie and plekanec, Kurtis Foster, Frolov, Volchenkov, etc, etc. Well if this team is going to get out of cap hell and be good, I mean REALLY REALLY good in 2 years than this year that's the team we field and we avoid those FA's this year.

Dubs - Christ/Prosp - Gab
Avery - A.A. - MZA/Cally

That's the top 6 we're looking at.

As for D we're stuck praying we re-sign our guys and that MDZ and Gil develop more or that Sang or some1 else develops.

Next year we'll have a much better feel for this teams cup chances.

Drury will have 1 year left, Redden is prob moved to hartford, Staal, MDZ, Artem, MZA, all get better, we prob sign another D, Dubs will be at his best, gabs and Hank are still great, Grachev, McD, Stepan are coming up, Prust, Byers, Weise or all solidify themselves as great energy guys like Cally.

For this year we will struggle with a maddeningly inconsistent team unless Staal, AA MDZ and MZA somehow really really shock people or gaborik has a 110 point season or Hank pitches 10 shutouts and a sub 2 GAA. That's our team. I doubt we will be in the running for anything less than an 8 seed. This team isn't elite but it's not bottom 5 either barring injuries.


Lastly as far as comp goes for those 3rd or 4th line spots...Boyle, Shelly, Voros...if Byers and Weise can't take a spot they don't deserve to play... I like Voros and SHelly and hold hope about Boyle but if B & W have any skill and grit they'll take a spot from one of them. Boyle's a C but u get my point.

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The solution could be Avery at center on the 4th line...Byers/Avery/Shelley on the 4th line, Prust/Drury/Callahan on another, and MZA/Anisimov/Weise as another line...yeah, we'd be looking at a top 5 pick in 2011.
Avery's not all that good at center. Sure, he's played it before, but there's he a reason he doesn't play it anymore.

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They're in trouble anyway. Avery on that line at least adds some grit and physical presence.
And it adds it to a top 6, so that our bottom 6 isn't full of players that play with tenacity and then our top 6 is full of guys that wouldn't hurt a fly.

I think Torts finally realized we don't have a quality top 6 to only roll 2-3 lines down the stretch. Next season he's going to go with whoever's producing I think, roll 4 lines a lot more often, and do what he can to keep Gaborik fresh, hope that still gets us in a position where we make the playoffs, and go from there.

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Get Gaborik a real Center. Enough of this Prospal or Christensen c**p!

Get him a real skill at Center. Someone on his level.

If Dubinsky can work hard, be more consistent and contribute on the Left Wing, fine. If not, drop him down to the Second Line and get some skill up there, too.

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sorry to all his Twitter fans but screw Voros already. Play a guy like Byers or Weise instead

the moron Sather should of just let these kids get in 2 yrs ago already

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Byers $500,000 NHL minimum salary/$90,000 AHL salary. $10,000 increase in AHL salary from last season.

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Get Gaborik a real Center. Enough of this Prospal or Christensen c**p!

Get him a real skill at Center. Someone on his level.

If Dubinsky can work hard, be more consistent and contribute on the Left Wing, fine. If not, drop him down to the Second Line and get some skill up there, too.
It's a nice thought but for this year we don't have the cap space and the players available will command too much and may not fit in with gab anyway.

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The issue with Shelly is the same thing with Brash. NHL teams need a heavyweight. Maybe need is too strong a word, but it certainly helps to have a big body who can drop the mitts.

Too bad Boyle doesn't fit the bill cause he certainly has the size

Shelly will sign with someone in the NHL. I am hoping its NY. He showed up big time in the final 2 games versus the Fly boys.

Prust, Weise, Byers, Cally et al are great checkers and grinders but they are middle weights. Can NY accomplish things with a roster of mid weight guys ? yea sure they can. Having that wide body however is great for Hudson Bay rules hockey, Flyers games and any other team that is going to dress a physical team. If and when NY plays Montreal then Shelly can sit in the pressbox ...

The chance that someone is hurt is sufficient reason to have all 5 guys around with someone riding the bus to and from the A.

Its a bottom six move and from where I sit its most welcome.

I think Avery on the 4th line would be awesome. Let him earn the minutes. When sean is on his game he can be a nice asset for NY. Its when he is being a moron, taking stupid penalties and hampering the team with punk@$$ behavior that he deserves to be stapled to the bench.

not sold on Anisimov deserving 2nd line ice time but there does appear a lack of candidates for the position.

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not sold on Anisimov deserving 2nd line ice time but there does appear a lack of candidates for the position.
Far as A.A. I think he will earn those minutes and have a scoring output that warrants 2nd line minutes. Might not start the season there but I'd be surprised if he doesn't generally get 2nd line minutes through the season. As a rook he was put with Gab for awhile so Torts doesn't mind putting guys up when they get hot.

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