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06-08-2010, 11:19 AM
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He is a UFA coming off a serious hip operation.
they'll take a chance with him before trading carter.

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06-08-2010, 11:36 AM
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Carter available? What could be our other options? Which move would you rather do (please tell me if it's fair trades)

Carter for Halak +
Jordan Staal for Markov
Backes for Price

Of course, if we do these moves, we don't resign Plek, but we get our big center that we've drooling for far too long.

What do you think?

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06-08-2010, 11:47 AM
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they'll take a chance with him before trading carter.
If not Emery either a trade or a UFA like Toskala or Eliis

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Carter available? What could be our other options? Which move would you rather do (please tell me if it's fair trades)

Carter for Halak +
Jordan Staal for Markov
Backes for Price

Of course, if we do these moves, we don't resign Plek, but we get our big center that we've drooling for far too long.

What do you think?
Probably the only one that could work but Backes will be a UFA after next season and also isn't a center.I think St.Louis will all the good young players they have would be a great trading partner this off season but not sure what they are looking for besides a goalie

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I would take Carter in a heart beat
But depends on the cost

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06-08-2010, 11:53 AM
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If not Emery either a trade or a UFA like Toskala or Eliis



Probably the only one that could work but Backes will be a UFA after next season and also isn't a center.I think St.Louis will all the good young players they have would be a great trading partner this off season but not sure what they are looking for besides a goalie
Although NHL.com has him as a right wing, NHL numbers has him under center position. I was under the impression that he played center for the US olympic team. My mistake, however, if he's a right wing, maybe he could replace the enigmatic AK (I highly doubt that STL would trade Backes for AK)

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06-08-2010, 03:02 PM
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They already have big money tied up at forward and guys like Giroux, Leino, JVR, Coburn will need raises, plus they need a #1 goalie. Giroux and Briere are natural centers.
Carter should be the last guy they should trade. It's not raining big, talented centers in this league.

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06-09-2010, 06:17 PM
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If you are Philly, do you trade Carter for Price?....I think not!
How about Carter for Halak.

Anyway I doubt Carter will be available as the Flyers will probably try and sign a netminder trough UFAs or try and get Price through arbitration as we all know Price will go through. Maybe if we give up Price+Carle/(Fischer and pick) for Carter and late pick, but I would be very surprised to see Carter in a habs jersey.

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06-09-2010, 06:18 PM
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How about Carter for Halak.

Anyway I doubt Carter will be available as the Flyers will probably try and sign a netminder trough UFAs or try and get Price through arbitration as we all know Price will go through. Maybe if we give up Price+Carle/(Fischer and pick) for Carter and late pick, but I would be very surprised to see Carter in a habs jersey.
Neither are worth Carter.

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Are you serious.
This guy produces little despite having top minutes in NHL year after year.
Still need to see him break the 50 points mark. Markov did 64 points... That's like 90+ points for a forward.
Jordan Stall is the complete package in a 6'4 frame playing with Tyler Kennedy and Matt Cooke and a terrible 2nd pp wave in Pittsburgh. Pretty clear to me if he was playing with somebody like Cammalleri he would easily have a 70+ point season.

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Jordan Stall is the complete package in a 6'4 frame playing with Tyler Kennedy and Matt Cooke and a terrible 2nd pp wave in Pittsburgh. Pretty clear to me if he was playing with somebody like Cammalleri he would easily have a 70+ point season.
I agree 100% Jordan Staal is the Proto-typical Centerman, and I think in the future he can surpass his brother Eric, which is saying alot.

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06-10-2010, 02:00 AM
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Totally overhyped Jordan Staal.
He still needs to get 50 points.
Year after year, I keep repeating Staal is overhype.
Year after year, I keep reading these posts about him being treated like he is a top-20 forward.

In fact he is a top-60 forward. A good second line center on a bottom tier team.
Did you looked at his TOI? It is quite similar to Plek. Same PK and PP.
Difference is Plek actually did the 70+ points.

We will see in the future but I think Eric and Mark are better than him.
As the #1 center of a team with actual wingers playing along side Gionta, Cammalleri, Pouliot and Andrei Kostitsyn. Not to mention he was getting premium powerplay time.

Jordan Staal manages 40 something points as well as being a beast on the PK while still being on the 3rd line with meh wingers whom aren't offensively gifted. Put Pleks on the 3rd line and he wont be getting 70 points.

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06-10-2010, 02:06 AM
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they still have emery
I believe he's a UFA

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I'd do that trade in a second. It's true his playoff numbers are underwhelming (like 0.50 ppg) but you're talking a big 1st line center that can score and create. Not to mention he's on a good contract and he's still only an RFA at the end of it.
Carter can't create. He's all about goal scoring and nothing else. He's a good guy to have, but if you build an offence around him you'll be like Columbus and how they have ruined their franchise by building around Nash.

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06-10-2010, 08:37 AM
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I'd trade David Fischer for Claude Giroux.

Wait.. what's that Mr. Timmins? You did what?

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Jordan Stall is the complete package in a 6'4 frame playing with Tyler Kennedy and Matt Cooke and a terrible 2nd pp wave in Pittsburgh. Pretty clear to me if he was playing with somebody like Cammalleri he would easily have a 70+ point season.
Since when is PIttsburgh 2nd PP wave terrible? Gonchar Malkin and Crosby is a pretty good 2nd PP(they often play the whole 2 minutes).

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Neither are worth Carter.
Phillie would do it pretty quick IMHO. clears cap room for some of their younger guys goikng forward and fills a pretty big hole in nets.

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How about Carter for Halak.

Anyway I doubt Carter will be available as the Flyers will probably try and sign a netminder trough UFAs or try and get Price through arbitration as we all know Price will go through. Maybe if we give up Price+Carle/(Fischer and pick) for Carter and late pick, but I would be very surprised to see Carter in a habs jersey.
How would the Flyers get Price "through arbitration"? You have to trade for a player before you can sign him via arbitration, plus price is not arbitration eligible this year.

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06-10-2010, 04:01 PM
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I'd rather give Halak for Carter.
I would only trade Price to the western conference and only if the return was more then fair!
Something like Backes Berglund and Perron for Price Andrei and Sergei
the chance that St Louis even considers this for over a second in 0%

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06-10-2010, 06:56 PM
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Phillie would do it pretty quick IMHO. clears cap room for some of their younger guys goikng forward and fills a pretty big hole in nets.
Why would they do Halak for Carter when they got some much mileage out of Leighton. Does Leighton has the plague, suddenly?

Philly would be stupid to trade Carter. You lack knowledge in hockey if you think they're gonna trade Carter for cap space. Carter and Richards should untouchable.

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I'd trade David Fischer for Claude Giroux.

Wait.. what's that Mr. Timmins? You did what?
its nice to sit back years later and bad mouth draft picks that didnt turn out....happens all the time....

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How about Carter for Halak.

Anyway I doubt Carter will be available as the Flyers will probably try and sign a netminder trough UFAs or try and get Price through arbitration as we all know Price will go through. Maybe if we give up Price+Carle/(Fischer and pick) for Carter and late pick, but I would be very surprised to see Carter in a habs jersey.
Wouldnt do Halak either....3-4 guys on this board decided that Carter was available....if you read the Philly sports pages, there is no such talk in Philly.....in fact, I see no reasons Philly woudl want to let Carter go....unless they get a Miller in the deal, or something like that.....

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If not Emery either a trade or a UFA like Toskala or Eliis



Probably the only one that could work but Backes will be a UFA after next season and also isn't a center.I think St.Louis will all the good young players they have would be a great trading partner this off season but not sure what they are looking for besides a goalie
Or perhaps bring back Niittymaki?

As for your second paragraph, I been suggesting that Ott or Malone would be useful and less costly to get.......I dont think Carter, Backes, Backlund, etc... are available.....only some here are speculating on their respective availability....ST Louis will not likely trade their youth and unless Miller comes in a deal, I seriously doubt Philly will part with Carter....

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i also think jordan staal is overhyped, but i agree he should produce more with better wingers, just not that much more...
So he wouldn't produce that much more with Cammalleri and Kostitsyn in an offensive role then he is playing shutdown center with Kennedy and Cooke?!

Geez man, what is the board smoking tonight?

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Why would they do Halak for Carter when they got some much mileage out of Leighton. Does Leighton has the plague, suddenly?

Philly would be stupid to trade Carter. You lack knowledge in hockey if you think they're gonna trade Carter for cap space. Carter and Richards should untouchable.
Had Philly had Halak instead of Leighton, Philly would be Stanley Cup Champions today.

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the chance that St Louis even considers this for over a second in 0%
That's my point, I would only trade Price unless the deal was too good to be true!

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From what I can see Staal has rougly 30 seconds of PP per penalty: 326 opp. and 156 minutes.
Not a lot but still some PP TOI.
Given 17% the Pens had, if Staal would be the solution they would have used him by now...

Still Staal did not prove he can score 50 points.
I see him breaking the 60 points mark once in his carreer.
50 points per season carreer is still very good.

You think he has great offense, I have said the reverse for two years now.
Two years later, nothing has changed...

BTW, Staal will be traded this summer. Just watch a team overpay for him.
he is 21 y/o....

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From what I can see Staal has rougly 30 seconds of PP per penalty: 326 opp. and 156 minutes.
Not a lot but still some PP TOI.
Given 17% the Pens had, if Staal would be the solution they would have used him by now...

Still Staal did not prove he can score 50 points.
I see him breaking the 60 points mark once in his carreer.
50 points per season carreer is still very good.

You think he has great offense, I have said the reverse for two years now.
Two years later, nothing has changed...

BTW, Staal will be traded this summer. Just watch a team overpay for him.

Even during his junior years he was not a great scorer. Great two way but not great scorer.
I agree and am sick of the ''he's young, he'll score a zillion point when he's older'' argument. Not all players get better every year, he might have (I think he has) plateaued young.


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I know jeff carter has nice numbers, and I think he will be a consistent 30 goal scorer for years to come. He's a good skater as well... but when it comes down to it, I dont think he has that "it" factor. Dont get me wrong... its always nice to have a 30 goal scorer, but he seems to be talked about around here as the saviour to our centre ice problems, and I dont see it. Sure, he's got size over pleks and he scores more goals, but pleks is a strong pk guy and a better playmaker IMO. Its not a huge upgrade overall, even if Carter is bigger.

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