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06-11-2010, 08:03 AM
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He reminds me a lot more of a slightly less solidly-built Perezhogin. Brought over to North America based on the strength of his scoring/offensive play, and convinces someone he's worth a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. Could go on to score 20+ goals in the AHL, but struggle to get the offense going against NHL checking and defenses, forcing him to adapt and try to incorporate/develop different aspects into his style to maintain a spot in a team's top 12, probably with mixed success, and what happens from there is anyone's guess.

He's probably not as likely to jump ship to the KHL if he struggles at first, but I'm not sure if I'd use a 1st rounder on him unless I had multiple picks in the 2nd/3rd round to fall back on. I don't see a player who is able to control/dictate the flow of the game enough in junior to project to be a can't-miss top-6 player within a couple of years, but maybe that's just me (fwiw, I've seen him play a few times here in Halifax, and even in one game where he scored a screen goal with a pretty good wrister, he wasn't very noticeable otherwise).
I'm not sure where you're going to find can't miss top 6 players that late in the 1st round. There just isn't any.

Getting a guy like Galiev or Straka is probably as good as it gets in that department if you're not dipping in the KHL pool.

As you have, I have concerns about his ability to play his skilled game consistently, but hey, it's a late 1st, those are the types of guys you can really get good value out of. They either pay off or don't. But it's not like we'd be passing on elite top 6 prospects.

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I'm not sure where you're going to find can't miss top 6 players that late in the 1st round. There just isn't any.

Getting a guy like Galiev or Straka is probably as good as it gets in that department if you're not dipping in the KHL pool.

As you have, I have concerns about his ability to play his skilled game consistently, but hey, it's a late 1st, those are the types of guys you can really get good value out of. They either pay off or don't. But it's not like we'd be passing on elite top 6 prospects.
The concern isn't with him being a "can't miss top-6" guy or not. It's more with what he has to offer a team IF his offense doesn't translate in such a way that he lands in a top-6 role. My concern is that he doesn't offer the safety net of skills required to be effective in bottom-6 duties that other potential 1st round picks have. There are harder-working and stronger (if not bigger) guys in that range with at least similar/equal or even greater offensive potential (many have already been listed here) than Galiev in this year's group. The Habs would be best served going after one of them instead, imo.

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The concern isn't with him being a "can't miss top-6" guy or not. It's more with what he has to offer a team IF his offense doesn't translate in such a way that he lands in a top-6 role. My concern is that he doesn't offer the safety net of skills required to be effective in bottom-6 duties that other potential 1st round picks have. There are harder-working and stronger (if not bigger) guys in that range with at least similar/equal or even greater offensive potential (many have already been listed here) than Galiev in this year's group. The Habs would be best served going after one of them instead, imo.
Maybe, but when drafting late 1st, I'd rather go for boom-or-bust guys than role players. You can find guys that bring a bottom 6 skillset a lot later in the draft, guys with big time skillsets that are still key players for their teams at 17 are quite rarer in rounds 3+.

By the way, does anyone know if Galiev will be swapped to center for next season?

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Maybe, but when drafting late 1st, I'd rather go for boom-or-bust guys than role players. You can find guys that bring a bottom 6 skillset a lot later in the draft, guys with big time skillsets that are still key players for their teams at 17 are quite rarer in rounds 3+.

By the way, does anyone know if Galiev will be swapped to center for next season?
I'd prefer to go a safer route...a guy who has offensive ability who could make some noise at some point, but if his offense don't translate well, he's still going to be a good bottom line player. I fell there's plenty of players like that around our spot.

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BU and Cisse have agreed that Cisse will not be joining BU until 2011 as Cisse will be spending at least part of next season in rehab. Cisse recently met with Les Habitants and should be condidered a very, very strong draft choice if the Habs doctors think he will fully recover. He is a late 1st to early 2nd draft choice without the injury - with the injury, he may last till 4th but don't count on it as several teams are very, very interested in this guy - a personal favourite of mine because he is a power forward who likes to score goals and does - shooting, going around people, going through people, tipping in while screening the goalie, down on one knee a la Camel Larry, hard on the boards; a difficult guy to play against. It all comes down to the doctors report.
In fact, Cisse was recently cleared to resume skating and it's looking increasingly likely he'll be at BU in September. BU will soon announce its 2010 recruit class (which also include Charlie Coyle, Matt Nieto and Sahir Gill, plus Adam Clendening). Whatever perceived weaknesses there are in his game, at BU, he'll be playing in a system that insists on tough, finish-your-checks, two-way hockey, and he'll be working with Mike Boyle, recognized as the best strength and conditioning coach in amateur hockey.

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I'd prefer to go a safer route...a guy who has offensive ability who could make some noise at some point, but if his offense don't translate well, he's still going to be a good bottom line player. I fell there's plenty of players like that around our spot.
I don't really think Galiev is really too risky. Production wasn't great, but he was 4th in points on a stacked team.

Guys with great hockey sense and vision rarely have problems translating their game to the NHL. How productive could he be? Don't know. There's a lot of guys I'd rather see drafted, but I'd much rather pick Galiev over, say, Nelson. Yeah, he's got size, he's got an offensive game and whatnot, but he played high school hockey. It's a much bigger risk.


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Redline's top 10 defensemen of the draft. Justin Faulk is 5th, McIlrath is 6th.

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Redline's top 10 defensemen of the draft. Justin Faulk is 5th, McIlrath is 6th.
And to make a note, this is just their personal rankings as to how they think these players will develop and not where they believe they will be drafted.

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And to make a note, this is just their personal rankings as to how they think these players will develop and not where they believe they will be drafted.
Interesting to see Faulk projected as a first round pick though. We may have to consider him with our first pick. I'm still working on my list, but this guy is interesting.

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A little timeout before we go back to serious business.....If you had to choose a good open-ice hitter in the mid to late rounds....who would you go for?

Radko Gudas







How about that fight with Beach.....how polite are those guys anyway....


Or Tyler Stahl





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06-11-2010, 05:57 PM
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gotta love the way Stahl can hit but can he play the game too ? i have no idea where he's ranked ? only 6assist this year

Gudas look like the better hockey player but doesn't have the ideal size to play that way in the nhl. plus he's 2 years older than Stahl (Gudas is a 90)

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gotta love the way Stahl can hit but can he play the game too ? i have no idea where he's ranked ? only 6assist this year

Gudas look like the better hockey player but doesn't have the ideal size to play that way in the nhl. plus he's 2 years older than Stahl (Gudas is a 90)
Honestly, I have no idea. Those players are usually just better suited for that level and after that, they're done. It's like Labrie.

So honestly, I have no idea about their "other"skills. Gudas to me looks like another Bouillon though. You wonder if he'd be well taken care of, what he could be doing. He doesn't seem to be afraid of nobody.

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06-12-2010, 08:55 AM
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From what I understand, Beau Bennett is packed and overflowing with offensive potential, flair, talent, but tends to play the cruise control mode in the game. When he had the puck I was like holy ****, but when he didn't I didn't notice him, maybe he wasn't on the ice.

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Stahl looks to be the better hitter and fighter. Right handed d too.

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From what I understand, Beau Bennett is packed and overflowing with offensive potential, flair, talent, but tends to play the cruise control mode in the game. When he had the puck I was like holy ****, but when he didn't I didn't notice him, maybe he wasn't on the ice.
I'm also concerned by the fact that 25 of his 41 goals were on the PP.

Is he just leeching off of mediocre BCHL goalies with a man down?

I think scouts need to watch players even strength and how they play in traffic to gain a good understanding of potential. I have not seen Beau play live so I can't make a strong judgment.

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How would guys compare Jerome Gauthier-Leduc to guys like Roussel, Mathieu Carle and David Savard at the same age? In terms of denfensive/offensive skill and potential...

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I'm also concerned by the fact that 25 of his 41 goals were on the PP.

Is he just leeching off of mediocre BCHL goalies with a man down?

I think scouts need to watch players even strength and how they play in traffic to gain a good understanding of potential. I have not seen Beau play live so I can't make a strong judgment.
That's what the critics said about Mike Cammelleri when we signed him. They said all his goals were scored on the PP and/or at home.

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