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06-13-2010, 10:34 AM
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With TB 2010 1st, I would then try to move up a few spots to try and get Gudbranson or Fowler, preerably Gudbranson.
I don't know how many GMs would consider it a wise move to spend extra assets to move up from a spot that will likely have Niederreiter, Connolly, Tarasenko, etc. unless you're targeting a top 2 pick for Hall/Seguin. I'd love to get Gudbranson (he would have been my first pick in the mock draft if he was still available at #6), but I'd sit there with fingers crossed instead of paying the price to move up into "guaranteed" territory (which likely means 3rd overall).

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Those are all valid, indeed....and horton's contract is two years where if we pay for Malone, we have him locked down for 4 years....
*3 years for Horton, 4 for Malone.

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06-13-2010, 10:36 AM
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I would not be surprised if either goalie will yield us Malone, but his salary is quite high.

That should settle the debate....both are tradable.
If we tarde Malone for one of our goalies, something else would be coming.

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06-13-2010, 10:38 AM
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I hope It's Halak that gets traded and not Price.

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06-13-2010, 10:45 AM
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I don't know how many GMs would consider it a wise move to spend extra assets to move up from a spot that will likely have Niederreiter, Connolly, Tarasenko, etc. unless you're targeting a top 2 pick for Hall/Seguin. I'd love to get Gudbranson (he would have been my first pick in the mock draft if he was still available at #6), but I'd sit there with fingers crossed instead of paying the price to move up into "guaranteed" territory (which likely means 3rd overall).
Agreed, but to move up 2-3 spots should not be that expensive. Obviously, it depends on the extra assets to give, but I want a top D rather than a top F for our pick and both Fowler and Gubrandson are Habs fan

Gudbanson is my dream-drool pick

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06-13-2010, 10:52 AM
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Agreed, but to move up 2-3 spots should not be that expensive. Obviously, it depends on the extra assets to give, but I want a top D rather than a top F for our pick and both Fowler and Gubrandson are Habs fan

Gudbanson is my dream-drool pick
Well, we don't really know though, do we? What do we consider expensive? I might consider a 2nd round pick this year to be an overpayment for moving up those 2 or 3 spots, for example. What if the team asks for a roster player (let's keep it to bottom 6 players like Tom Pyatt), or even a prospect (like, say, Maxwell or White)? We can discuss "value", but in the end it's likely that the #3 spot becomes a tough place to outbid other interested teams.

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06-13-2010, 11:06 AM
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A goalie, the kostitsyns, Hammer, for Malone and a first. I am very down with that.

I think the Kostitsyns have value as a low risk reclamation project.

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06-13-2010, 11:09 AM
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Why are you guys talking about Malone when Horton is available?
because Florida is set in net, with Markstrom being ready after Vokoun leaves probably.

I would like to see a deal around:

Malone
1st round pick'10

for

Halak
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1st round pick'10

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06-13-2010, 11:13 AM
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*3 years for Horton, 4 for Malone.
After verification, I stand corrected....it is indeed 3....

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=16

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06-13-2010, 11:14 AM
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Why are you guys talking about Malone when Horton is available?
This, a big body who can score over 30 goals and has a very nice cap hit... not to mention he's still only 25 and can continue to improve.

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06-13-2010, 11:29 AM
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because Florida is set in net, with Markstrom being ready after Vokoun leaves probably.

I would like to see a deal around:

Malone
1st round pick'10

for

Halak
A.Kostitsyn
1st round pick'10
Not sure what tampa's plan is but they will most likely want to rebuild and have a young team. They are probably interested in picking up a player at this 6th spot. So we will see but I doubt montreal will pull that trade.

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06-13-2010, 11:31 AM
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because Florida is set in net, with Markstrom being ready after Vokoun leaves probably.

I would like to see a deal around:

Malone
1st round pick'10

for

Halak
A.Kostitsyn
1st round pick'10
As a re-building team, I seriously doubt TB will trade down its very good 1st round pick......

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06-13-2010, 11:35 AM
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Malone would screw up the team cap wise for years to come for god's sake. We can get a big body for way cheaper.

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I cannot imagine that Halak plus our 27th plus scraps is going to net Malone and the #6 pick.

so, if it's Malone for (Price/Halak) + ?? I'd rather just sign Colby Armstrong or some similar UFA for less than Malone's dollar figure and keep the goalies.

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Why are you guys talking about Malone when Horton is available?
I don't think Montreal and Florida make good trading partners. They need more offence but I don't know if they would accept the Kostitsyns for Horton. I could see DeBoer pushing for Weber, but is that enough?

Malone on the other hand seems like a perfect fit. The Habs have a surplus of goaltending, which is Tampa's #1 concern. Maybe the Habs could try and pry Paul Ranger away too.

Plus think about it, Malone is American, he played for the Omaha Lancers (same team as Leblanc and Kristo), and he played for St. Cloud State in the NCAA (they basically wear Habs jerseys). Also, Malone's contract comes off the books the same summer as Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri. It just makes too much sense!

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06-13-2010, 11:39 AM
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Malone would screw up the team cap wise for years to come for god's sake. We can get a big body for way cheaper.
Please provide a link to where we can get those big bodies that fits our top 6 and also fit JM's gameplan.....

Malone, Ott, Horton, Downie, Ruutu.....who else can fit that mold? I am sure there are more that fits all the conditions, just cant think of them right now....but they will all cost you, that you cannot get around...

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What makes Horton interesting is that he is a top 6 player with top 3 player calibre.

His two best productive seasons as a pro came under the guidance of Martin behind the bench, there is a prior relationship there that Gauthier can talk to Martin about.

Horton can score, skate and hit and is young.

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06-13-2010, 11:40 AM
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I cannot imagine that Halak plus our 27th plus scraps is going to net Malone and the #6 pick.

so, if it's Malone for (Price/Halak) + ?? I'd rather just sign Colby Armstrong or some similar UFA for less than Malone's dollar figure and keep the goalies.
One man's scrap is another man's gold.....AK is not scrap by any measure....I dont like him but he sure is not scrap.....

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What makes Horton interesting is that he is a top 6 player with top 3 player calibre.

His two best productive seasons as a pro came under the guidance of Martin behind the bench, there is a prior relationship there that Gauthier can talk to Martin about.

Horton can score, skate and hit and is young.
I agree....I never included him in my list as he was untouchable in Florida....someone is suggesting otherwise...but I am still not convinced FL would trade him.....

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06-13-2010, 11:43 AM
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As a re-building team, I seriously doubt TB will trade down its very good 1st round pick......
If Campbell the best goalie in the draft is gone before that pick, I would not be surprised to see a deal centred around Tampa trading that pick for a another 1st rounder, starting goalie and top 6 forward.

Tampa has their core, but they need goaltending now.

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I don't think Montreal and Florida make good trading partners. They need more offence but I don't know if they would accept the Kostitsyns for Horton. I could see DeBoer pushing for Weber, but is that enough?

Malone on the other hand seems like a perfect fit. The Habs have a surplus of goaltending, which is Tampa's #1 concern. Maybe the Habs could try and pry Paul Ranger away too.

Plus think about it, Malone is American, he played for the Omaha Lancers (same team as Leblanc and Kristo), and he played for St. Cloud State in the NCAA (they basically wear Habs jerseys). Also, Malone's contract comes off the books the same summer as Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri. It just makes too much sense!
Good analysis.....and I agree that a Horton trade much hard to figure out...not impossible but certainly for more complex....

I tend to favor Malone myself....so I agree with you....

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I agree....I never included him in my list as he was untouchable in Florida....someone is suggesting otherwise...but I am still not convinced FL would trade him.....
It is rumoured he and Olesz are available, Booth and Weiss are not.

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If Campbell the best goalie in the draft is gone before that pick, I would not be surprised to see a deal centred around Tampa trading that pick for a another 1st rounder, starting goalie and top 6 forward.

Tampa has their core, but they need goaltending now.
Thing is, we are asking for Malone.....not for us to give a top 6......

The pick is not really what we need...we are committed to play now....so Malone makes more sence....imho

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I still think a Carey Price for Devin Setoguchi trade makes a ton of sense for both teams.

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It is rumoured he and Olesz are available, Booth and Weiss are not.
I think it was Weiss and Ballard that teams were calling about but were not available.

I doubt many teams are interested in Booth right now, he's a concussion waiting to happen. His value will be too low.

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Why are you guys talking about Malone when Horton is available?
Malone is a lot more physical and gritty. Horton is an enigma.

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