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Burke: No Kovalchuk for Leafs

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06-14-2010, 02:03 PM
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Leafs clearly are not rebuilding.

Rebuilding teams dont come out and say "JULY 1ST WILL BE OUR DRAFT DAY"
They do when they don't have any draft picks and want to give their fans a reason to be optimistic.

That being said, I think with some savvy free agent signings/trades the Leafs will be back in the playoffs within a year or two.

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06-14-2010, 02:06 PM
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Before getting Kessel he was asked if he was going after him. Burke responded "no". He wont say if he is or not.

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06-14-2010, 02:12 PM
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I think you must have mis - read my post or took it out on context. I am in no way a supporter of the direction they have taken. I have been complaining about it for the past 4-5 years and I absolutely did not like the Kessel trade because I thought that we not only overpaid but it just wasnt the right time to make the deal. I was in full support of rebuilding like PITT, WASH and now EDM. What I'm saying is that by the moves Burke has made he clearly isnt going to be rebuilding, its much more like a on the fly retool and rebuilding teams certainly dont say July 1st will be there own draft day. Trust me. I'm the last person that is a Leaf homer and in no way shape or form have I been a supporter of whats been going on lately with this franchise.
Wow sorry completely took your first post out of context, and happen to be in complete agreement with you

If your not blindly following them its pretty clear like you said this is an on the fly rebuild that has clearly started to fail. Just the fact that one of the picks turned out to be top two makes this on the fly rebuild a fail, and the pick next year looks to me like a damn near sure fire top ten as well.

More so than anything I really feel bad for intelligent leafs like yourself, who have to suffer through this "trial" run of a rebuild. Maybe Im dead wrong and in 3 years the leafs will actually be competing for a cup. But I know if I were a fan I would have been pissed for the five years beforehand not knowing why these seemingly boneheaded moves kept happening, reinforcing the belief that no rebuild is happening, when it clearly should have been.

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06-14-2010, 02:16 PM
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Why didn't you apply for the Lightning GM, or even the Panthers?

Someone who knows everything and can predict the future would surely be more useful to them then Steve Yzerman, or Dale Tallon.

Why would you suggest its time for a re-build?
We have some strong building blocks in place, all 25 years old or younger.

The franchise hit rock bottom this past season and theres nowhere to go but up. If you really believe they wont be back in the playoffs in the next few seasons you don't watch hockey. The team has never been blown up like it was...but it was much needed to build a strong product, and thats whats happening.....slowly but surely.

re; Kovalchuk, anyone who seriously thought Brian Burke would actually entertain the idea of signing a Russian primma donna was kidding themselves. Brian Burke teams don't include one dimensional(albeit exceptional) 1 way players.
That sentence describes Phil Kessel to a T...

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06-14-2010, 02:18 PM
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Getting either Patty's ( Sharp, Marleau ) would be a huge deal for the Leafs. I see the more realistic scenario being Marleau despite the Wilson/Marleau supposed heat. Money talks.

Hawks need to shed salary, and unless the Leafs are willing to part with a good cheap roster player or one of the top prospects, there are other teams with better assets to land a guy like Sharp. Leafs have no 1st or 2nd to sweeten the deal to offset a lesser prospect's potential.

If I were the Leafs and I was trying to make them a playoff contender, I would do this:

* Resign Kulemin

* Sign Marleau

* Sign Hejda

* Trade Kaberle for Malone

* Buyout or dump Finger in the minors

* Fire Ron Wilson. Hire a coach that preaches good defensive team structure ( Ramsey )


Kulemin -- Bozak -- Kessel

Malone -- Marleau -- Grabovski

Stalberg -- Kadri -- Caputi

Sjostrom -- Hanson -- Orr


Phaneuf -- Hejda

Beachemin -- Schenn

Gunnarsson -- Komisarek

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06-14-2010, 02:21 PM
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The Leafs are an absolute mess. I see things getting slightly better for 1, maybe 2 seaons, then the wheels will come off again and the team will be worse off than it currently is.

Throwing away draft picks has abolutely decimated this franchise. They are 4 years into a rebuild and it's already time for another rebuild. You can't keep pissing away draft picks.
Hammer the Leafs for specific things if you wish but don't try revise history with comments like 4 years into a rebuild

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06-14-2010, 02:22 PM
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LOL Leafs fans can suck it.

All I've heard from them the past month has been how it makes soooo much sense for Kovy to go to the Leafs. Hahaha.
Nah, Rangers make more sense...they do have a track record for signing overpriced prima donnas

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06-14-2010, 02:23 PM
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LA.COL.SJ(with certain trades). There are teams out there.
Add NJD as well. The interesting thing about SJ is that after re-signing Pavelski and Setoguchi, and Kovalchuk at the expected price($8M), they would be left with $8M in cap space, and no #1 goaltender(15 total players under contract). That said, it's very possible.

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Getting either Patty's ( Sharp, Marleau ) would be a huge deal for the Leafs. I see the more realistic scenario being Marleau despite the Wilson/Marleau supposed heat. Money talks.

Hawks need to shed salary, and unless the Leafs are willing to part with a good cheap roster player or one of the top prospects, there are other teams with better assets to land a guy like Sharp. Leafs have no 1st or 2nd to sweeten the deal to offset a lesser prospect's potential.

If I were the Leafs and I was trying to make them a playoff contender, I would do this:

* Resign Kulemin

* Sign Marleau

* Sign Hejda

* Trade Kaberle for Malone

* Buyout or dump Finger in the minors

* Fire Ron Wilson. Hire a coach that preaches good defensive team structure ( Ramsey )


Kulemin -- Bozak -- Kessel

Malone -- Marleau -- Grabovski

Stalberg -- Kadri -- Caputi

Sjostrom -- Hanson -- Orr


Phaneuf -- Hejda

Beachemin -- Schenn

Gunnarsson -- Komisarek

Giggy
Gustav
If they signed Marleau, would they have enough room to add Malone at 4.5 mil cap hit? Marleau would cost about a 6.5 mil unlress Burke breaks his stace of not giving more than 5 year deals. That's 11 mil in and only Kaberle's 4 mil out.

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06-14-2010, 02:26 PM
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Sad that he's not even interested.
he couldnt say so if he was ...smokescreen

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06-14-2010, 02:32 PM
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Burke is more interested in Sharp



http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=387652&src=149
So what is the cost? First round pick in 2012?

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That sentence describes Phil Kessel to a T...
Lmao . I know the Kessel trade was a knee jerk move by an American GM trying to make a big splash in the biggest Canadian market.

Phil is a great goal scorer and talent, with tonnes of room to still grow. But lets call a spade a spade. Many, many question marks surround Phil's game. Burke ****ed up big time, Id argue this years pick alone would be worth Kessel + Bostons 1st, but instead they will be giving up next years first aswell

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06-14-2010, 02:35 PM
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Lmao . I know the Kessel trade was a knee jerk move by an American GM trying to make a big splash in the biggest Canadian market.

Phil is a great goal scorer and talent, with tonnes of room to still grow. But lets call a spade a spade. Many, many question marks surround Phil's game. Burke ****ed up big time, Id argue this years pick alone would be worth Kessel + Bostons 1st, but instead they will be giving up next years first aswell
Yes, but what if Toronto finished (lets say 8th) and got the 15th pick, and finished (lets say 6th next year) and got the 19th pick.. Who would have won the deal then?

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Another thread about Kovalchuk turns to a Kessel bashing. I think it's about time we impose an age limit for HF.

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So what is the cost? First round pick in 2012?
But but I thought they had to fork over that pick for tampering on the Sedin twins.

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tampering, etc.
This. Even if he was interested, after all the tampering bs of sedins, you really think his going to say yes I am interested?

Who knows if he really is or is not interested though.

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Pretty obvious to most Leaf fans that it wouldn't work out with Kovy, not a great fit for him or the team atm.

I still hear tons of LA fans thinking they're getting him without a doubt.

I know it's hard but can't people stay on topic when it comes to anything about the Leafs? No need to bash them or bring up the Kessel trade when this is about Kovy, pretty immature.

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This. Even if he was interested, after all the tampering bs of sedins, you really think his going to say yes I am interested?

Who knows if he really is or is not interested though.
So is this reverse tampering?

A cunning plot by Burke to be awarded draft picks?

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06-14-2010, 02:41 PM
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How about this possibility? Maybe Burke says hes not going after Kovalchuk because he's not going after Kovalchuk. Shocking.

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A team that finishes second to last should be thinking like EDM. Build around Kessel and draft.. wait..

Sorry.

Maybe you should push for Kovy.
omg, lol. that's so hilarious. also, they didn't win since 1967. LOL

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...Again, that is.

Never certain why anyone would think Kovy would sign there anyway.
True enough...maybe Kovy has already said NO to Burkie...???

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So is this reverse tampering?

A cunning plot by Burke to be awarded draft picks?
This is why Burke is the greatest GM to ever live

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he couldnt say so if he was ...smokescreen
If Burke was interested, he'd just say "I can't comment on that player"

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Burke just doesnt want to cockblock his fishing buddy.

We all know where Kovy is ending up.... right?


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Marleau, sure.

What makes you think the Leafs will EVER get Ryan?
A lot of Leaf fans smoke home grown weed. Please excuse them for being delusional. As for LA fans being certain that Kovy's going there...well is LA willing to offer a 3 year 42m deal with little income tax?

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