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06-15-2010, 01:08 PM
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Yeah, that doesn't make much sense, does it?
Seems to follow the Canucks recent history in failing to diagnose injuries in a timely fashion as to severity and treatment such as Mitchell's fractured vertebrae, Johnson's foot, Hodgson's back etc.

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06-15-2010, 01:15 PM
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terrible regular season for injuries. only makes sense it would continue into the playoffs.

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06-15-2010, 01:16 PM
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yeah, that's what I wondered. But he got the Canucks medical opinion, got a second opinion, and then the surgery. Maybe it takes time to schedule appointments and such? Especially if they did it in Canada...
Hopefully Dave Gagner wasn't the first opinion.

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06-15-2010, 02:58 PM
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yeah, that's what I wondered. But he got the Canucks medical opinion, got a second opinion, and then the surgery. Maybe it takes time to schedule appointments and such? Especially if they did it in Canada...
I know eh? I mean, this is Canada after all, where it takes forever for anything to get done . But at the same time, you have to wonder why he couldn't have gotten it diagnosed and operated on earlier, especially for a big-market team with tons of money.

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I'm not a doctor, but I don't really see how tearing cartilage in your shoulder joint can be a training staff issue. I think it's more of a hockey is a contact sport issue.

From my fuzzy memory, the majority of the team's injuries this year were things like broken bones, concussions, etc. There's not much you can do to prevent that stuff.

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I'm not a doctor, but I don't really see how tearing cartilage in your shoulder joint can be a training staff issue. I think it's more of a hockey is a contact sport issue.

From my fuzzy memory, the majority of the team's injuries this year were things like broken bones, concussions, etc. There's not much you can do to prevent that stuff.
Trainers are responsible for making the players drink up their milk so as to strengthen their bones. They have obviously failed at this.

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06-15-2010, 03:50 PM
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I know eh? I mean, this is Canada after all, where it takes forever for anything to get done . But at the same time, you have to wonder why he couldn't have gotten it diagnosed and operated on earlier, especially for a big-market team with tons of money.
The Canucks use private MRI facitities, etc. that they pay for. The issue that can arise is booking an operating room if the surgery needs to be done in a hospital rather than private surgical clinic. However the Canucks often use Cambie Surgery Centre, a private hospital as they specialize in Orthopaedic arthroscopic/sport injuries) treatment.
http://www.csc-surgery.com/index.php

My urgent elective (i.e. I am not on the cusp of death) surgery has a three month wait to get into an operating room.

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06-15-2010, 05:04 PM
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I'm not a doctor, but I don't really see how tearing cartilage in your shoulder joint can be a training staff issue. I think it's more of a hockey is a contact sport issue.

From my fuzzy memory, the majority of the team's injuries this year were things like broken bones, concussions, etc. There's not much you can do to prevent that stuff.
The logic. Stop using it.

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This is annoying as hell, but props to HM for giving us this update a week ago.

Shes very reliable.

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Q: does this have any impact on the possible raymond trade?, what do you guys think?

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Good to know that Burrows is running the 1st leg of the LTIR relay this year. That's $2M of "extra" cap space to start the season, nice.

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The Canucks use private MRI facitities, etc. that they pay for. The issue that can arise is booking an operating room if the surgery needs to be done in a hospital rather than private surgical clinic. However the Canucks often use Cambie Surgery Centre, a private hospital as they specialize in Orthopaedic arthroscopic/sport injuries) treatment.
http://www.csc-surgery.com/index.php

My urgent elective (i.e. I am not on the cusp of death) surgery has a three month wait to get into an operating room.
Interesting, I didn't know that about the Canucks. With that being said, it's still not an overnight process. For starters Burrows probably wanted a few days off, then him, his doctor, the Canucks and his agent had to probably go through all the different options. Then they'd all have to agree and then he'd actually have to get the surgery itself.

I'd rather they spend the time to determine the best course of action, even if it means he's out for training camp and the start of the season rather than make a rash decision. It's a lot better than having him come back and then have to get the surgery in January or something.

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Burrows actual injury was during the regular season. Why the Canucks let injured players play in the playoffs is beyond me. They wouldn't get reinforcements, they shed defencemen and they allowed the injured to go? Fire Gillis.

Burrows out actually clarified the thinking on Raymond. Maybe the Rome resigning will inform the fanbase, too.

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06-15-2010, 06:20 PM
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Burrows actual injury was during the regular season. Why the Canucks let injured players play in the playoffs is beyond me. They wouldn't get reinforcements, they shed defencemen and they allowed the injured to go? Fire Gillis.

Burrows out actually clarified the thinking on Raymond. Maybe the Rome resigning will inform the fanbase, too.
Please list one team, ever, in the history of the NHL that has not let any injured players play in the playoffs.

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Q: does this have any impact on the possible raymond trade?, what do you guys think?
IF they are seriously looking to move Raymond(i hope not) I don't think you change your thinking based on Burrows missing 8-10 games at the start of the season...the Canucks have plenty of youngsters who can fill Raymond's spot while Sammy jumps up to Sedin duty.

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Please list one team, ever, in the history of the NHL that has not let any injured players play in the playoffs.
Or list one player that wouldn't downplay his injury just to play in playoffs.

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06-15-2010, 06:47 PM
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Q: does this have any impact on the possible raymond trade?, what do you guys think?
I would think if Gillis was even considering moving Raymond this would give him pause.

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I believe it was said Burrow was given the choice to continue playing? I believe the bigger issue is not thinking that a replacement couldn't step in and help matters. At this point you can just look to the future though.

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Interesting, I didn't know that about the Canucks. With that being said, it's still not an overnight process. For starters Burrows probably wanted a few days off, then him, his doctor, the Canucks and his agent had to probably go through all the different options. Then they'd all have to agree and then he'd actually have to get the surgery itself.

I'd rather they spend the time to determine the best course of action, even if it means he's out for training camp and the start of the season rather than make a rash decision. It's a lot better than having him come back and then have to get the surgery in January or something.
Burrows first had an MRI after the season, consulted a specialist here in Vancouver and then apparently travelled to Cleveland (I assume the Cleveland Clinic and Dr. Miniaci) for a second opinion as to whether or not to have the surgery.
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“If we had gone through with the MRI (in February) it might have revealed the same thing then,” he said. “If we'd had the surgery then I would have been done for the year anyway. I would have missed March-April and then the playoffs. I didn't want that to happen. Obviously, now having the MRI after the season and seeing a couple of specialists, one in Vancouver and one in Cleveland, they both really pressed the issue that I get it done now instead of just waiting and seeing next year and having it pop out of the joint.”
http://www.theprovince.com/Burrows+h...#ixzz0qy8FsdSz

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06-15-2010, 07:02 PM
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Burrows actual injury was during the regular season. Why the Canucks let injured players play in the playoffs is beyond me. They wouldn't get reinforcements, they shed defencemen and they allowed the injured to go? Fire Gillis.

Burrows out actually clarified the thinking on Raymond. Maybe the Rome resigning will inform the fanbase, too.
Players play through injury all the time in the post-season.

Andrew Ladd played with an injured shoulder and Marian Hossa a knee injury during the post-season for the Hawks.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nh...ory?id=5279709

Kesler also played with shoulder injury.

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06-15-2010, 07:44 PM
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So much for trading Raymond now.
I am not really in favor of trading Raymond, but if Raymond could fetch someone who could help the team; Burrow's injury would not stop me from making that trade.
I am thinking the long term here (i.e the play-offs), because it doesn't sound like Burrows will miss all that much of the season.
I am sort of thinking that if we are going to make progress over last year, that at least one of our prospects is going to have to make the club. Although I think trades need to be made, prospects also need to step up.

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Please list one team, ever, in the history of the NHL that has not let any injured players play in the playoffs.
I can name several, but off the top of my head, the Oilers last year.

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Why wouldn't they do the surgery a month ago?
"Because medicine isn't a science"
- Dr. Spaceman, 30 Rock.

But seriously, because these things aren't black and white. I know certain posters like to portray the Canucks as chronic mis-diagnosers, but the fact is, it often takes multiple examinations to determine exactly what an injury is, not to mention how severe it is, and then it's still not always clear what the best course of action for repairing it is. Sometimes waiting to see how the body responds really is the smartest choice.

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"Because medicine isn't a science"
- Dr. Spaceman, 30 Rock.

But seriously, because these things aren't black and white. I know certain posters like to portray the Canucks as chronic mis-diagnosers, but the fact is, it often takes multiple examinations to determine exactly what an injury is, not to mention how severe it is, and then it's still not always clear what the best course of action for repairing it is. Sometimes waiting to see how the body responds really is the smartest choice.
This is what Google tells me:

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The best tests available to make the diagnosis of a labral tear are magnetic resonance imaging or a test called a CT-arthrogram ( the latter is a CAT scan preceded by an arthrogram where dye is injected into the shoulder). Both of these tests are relatively good at defining a labrum tear due to a subluxation or dislocation, but they are only around 80-85% accurate. For that reason, some physicians believe that are not always needed if the diagnosis of subluxation or dislocation can be made by history and physical examination. Neither of those tests is currently very good at making the diagnosis of a SLAP lesion. This area is very complex and it is difficult to reliably get good pictures of this area with MRI.

However, if the MRI definitely shows a tear then frequently it will be present. The problem is that the MRI may miss smaller tears and cannot reliably make the diagnosis in larger tears of the labrum.

The best way to make the diagnosis of labrum tearing is with arthroscopy of the shoulder. Unfortunately this is an operative procedure and requires some form of anesthesia. Making the diagnosis also takes some experience on the part of the surgeon, since the anatomy of the inside of the shoulder can be quite complex. The relationship between labrum tears and symptoms has not been totally figured out, so it is not clearly known which ones should be repaired and which ones can be left alone.
http://www.hopkinsortho.org/labrum_tear.html

According to Gillis on the radio today, the tear turned out to be worse than they thought. I'm guessing they originally thought he didn't need surgery.

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Burrows actual injury was during the regular season. Why the Canucks let injured players play in the playoffs is beyond me. They wouldn't get reinforcements, they shed defencemen and they allowed the injured to go? Fire Gillis.

Burrows out actually clarified the thinking on Raymond. Maybe the Rome resigning will inform the fanbase, too.
Fire Gillis, are you kidding me.
As someone else said, in the play-offs many players play through an injury.

I doubt very much in this day and age, that the medical staff would allow this if they believed that the player was going to hurt themselves in the long term, by playing in the play-offs.
Years ago this was the norm, but today the medical staff plays a more prominent role.
Yes even they make mistakes, but this is the exception rather than the rule.
There is just too much at stake, on both sides.

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