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Shea Weber 22 46.81%
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06-13-2010, 11:31 PM
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Suter v Weber

Hey, I'm a Sens fan and I was wondering what Preds fans thought in terms of who is better between Weber and Suter. I think Suter gets criminally underrated, and Weber gets huge hype despite being even at best with Suter. Anyways, I thought seeing what Preds fans thought would give me a more clear view on how these two D-Men compare. So, who is better, Suter or Weber?

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06-14-2010, 01:17 AM
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Suter. He is marginally better defensively and in my opinion will turn into the better defender.

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06-14-2010, 02:07 AM
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Suter is the better overall player. Weber has game changing abilities. Both have different skill sets so it's almost like comparing apples and oranges. Suter to me is a cross between Lidstrom and Niedermayer but a notch down but plays a very similar game to both. Weber reminds me a lot of a young Rob Blake but maybe a little bit better this early in his career. Hope that helps.

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Hey, I'm a Sens fan and I was wondering what Preds fans thought in terms of who is better between Weber and Suter. I think Suter gets criminally underrated, and Weber gets huge hype despite being even at best with Suter. Anyways, I thought seeing what Preds fans thought would give me a more clear view on how these two D-Men compare. So, who is better, Suter or Weber?
Define "better"

They are both so different and important to the team. But I think Weber holds more value as he would be harder to replace. Players like him don't come around as often as players like Suter. IMO, if both were to hit free agency this summer, Weber would be the #1 guy GMs go after and would get the bigger contract.

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well, "better" is not an absolute term.

better shot? Weber

more physical? Weber

better skater? Suter

better defensively? Suter

so which one you would want would depend on your needs

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06-14-2010, 10:24 AM
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well, "better" is not an absolute term.

better shot? Weber

more physical? Weber

better skater? Suter

better defensively? Suter

so which one you would want would depend on your needs
100% spot on.

Weber the better goal scorer, Suter the better playmaker.

Suter has better overall puck skills, Weber the better shot.1

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well, "better" is not an absolute term.

better shot? Weber

more physical? Weber

better skater? Suter

better defensively? Suter

so which one you would want would depend on your needs
'Nuff said - this says it all

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Better overall. Looking at their game as a whole, who is better.

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Better overall. Looking at their game as a whole, who is better.
Then I'd say they are equal.

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Suter is the much more versatile and complete overall player of the two.

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Suter is the much more versatile and complete overall player of the two.
Unless you need a big guy that can score goals.

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This debate is like asking a guy if he likes his left testicle better than his right. Both as very useful and no one wants to lose either one.

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Better overall. Looking at their game as a whole, who is better.
sorry, but its apples to oranges.

each has some skillsets that they are better than the other.

giving an "overall" rating would depend on whether you value scoring and physical play, or playmaking and positional defense more

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ya, i cant even get myself to vote on this. glad i get to look at both testicals!

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sorry, but its apples to oranges.

each has some skillsets that they are better than the other.

giving an "overall" rating would depend on whether you value scoring and physical play, or playmaking and positional defense more
Its not meant to be an easy decision. Imagine you had to grade them out of 1000. Who would have a higher grade?

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Its not meant to be an easy decision. Imagine you had to grade them out of 1000. Who would have a higher grade?
how many points are you going to assign to each different attribute?

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The good doctor makes a point. I'd say they are equally good players, but if you're looking at it from the perspective of an NHL GM you have to decide what it is you need more on the blueline. Weber brings size and physicality with decent mobility and a ridiculous shot. He plays with a mean streak, and they are both great personalities in the locker room. Suter brings better skating, better positioning, overall higher hockey IQ, and better leadership. Sutes doesn't have the cannon Webs has, but he is great passing and can handle the puck better.

Just depends on what you're looking to acquire in that case. I picked Weber because there wasn't an option for "equal" and he's my favorite player in the NHL currently.

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I'd give both my testicles to have either one of them.

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I'd give both my testicles to have either one of them.
Hahaha probably an over payment for just one of them It didn't show in the Olympics because of the overall skill set surrounding both of them, but they really do compliment one another better than any pairing in the league as far as I'm concerned. If they are ever split up (NO NO NO NO) then I think you'll see a season, or maybe two, of each player trying to find his stride again. Don't get me wrong, each will still be an incredibly solid first pairing defenseman, and probably the best d-man on the majority of teams in the league. Suter would be the player to rebound the fastest, though, in almost any scenario.

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I'd give both my testicles to have either one of them.
Haha this is so much better now than the typical Weber vs. Suter threads.

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I can't believe anyone would think Suter is better than Weber?

I asked my nephew who plays minor Pro hockey, and even he said Suter is on a lower level to Shea. Come on people take a serious look and get a shot of reality.

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I can't believe anyone would think Suter is better than Weber?

I asked my nephew who plays minor Pro hockey, and even he said Suter is on a lower level to Shea. Come on people take a serious look and get a shot of reality.
after watching every game these two have played the past few years I would take the stabilizing presence of suter over weber. Suter is the more polished, more consistant of the two, but isn't a game changer like weber. I would take suter first.

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I can't believe anyone would think Suter is better than Weber?

I asked my nephew who plays minor Pro hockey, and even he said Suter is on a lower level to Shea. Come on people take a serious look and get a shot of reality.
You're nephew must be young...

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well, I've watched about 60 games a year for the last several years, and depending on which year and when we're talking I think you go back and forth. Today, they're pretty much grown men NHLers - not saying they can't/won't improve, just saying we're past "growing pains". Guys have already said it - they're so VERY different. In the end, I think Weber is tougher to replace because of his size and relatively good mobility for that size, along with that cannon - although it could be more accurate. Suter is more polished.

I'm in the neither is better camp - 1 is a Dman with size and a cannon, the other is a Dman with good skating and passing skills who plays smart D. Both have good leadership skills. And while I would say Weber's overall package would be harder to replace overall, I'm not sure Suter with his entire skillset would be so easily replaced, either. Perhaps a better chance of it, but it's tough to replace any guy in a pairing that rates with the best in the league.

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This just came to mind. Although Weber has a skill set harder to replace, I don't know that Suter isn't harder to replace. Here's my thinking on this. Let's go back to the Olympics and see how the US team relied on Suter for the most minutes per game in the tourney. Weber played on a stacked Canadian team and played a ton of minutes for them as well but he also had a great team and blue liners to play with. For the US it was the Suter and Rafalski show on the blue line. Suter shined against the best of the best, as did Weber but Suter had less of a supporting cast. Suter kind of slid under the radar because he didn't have the point totals of Rafalski or the shredding of the net like Weber did. He goes about his business and is pretty consistent. I get what people say about Weber and his skill set but there are times Weber this past year disappeared while Suter just kept on with his consistent game.

I think this past season was the year Suter really took the big leap to a complete player. Weber took his big leap the year before but leveled off a little bit this past year. We'll see if either have another level to their game at this point and with their youth, I think they do.

At the end of the day, there is no wrong choice here.

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