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06-15-2010, 08:06 PM
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Buy out Justin Williams?

With the Kings possibly looking to make a big splash this summer, they need to clear some salary, and I find it highly doubtful that the Kings will be able to trade Justin Williams. I'm also skeptical on him returning to form. Williams has not had an injury free season since 2006-07, back when he was 25.

He'll be turning 29 in October and with one year remaining on his $3.5M contract, the Kings may have to consider buying out Justin Williams. A buy-out would save the team $2,333,333 in cap space, with the buy-out cap hit being $1,166,667 over the next two seasons.

It might be time to bid adieu to Monsieur Williams.

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06-15-2010, 08:09 PM
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Doubt it. We'd only be left with 2 proven RW(Brown, Simmonds).

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Buyout???

No way!

The guy could still play. He came off injured list and never fully recovered. There's no way I'd pay him 2/3 of his salary to buy him out. The guy's still has trade value.

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Trouble is they will likely attribute it a another fluke injury and hoe he can stay healthy.

I disagree that Williams is untradeable.

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06-15-2010, 08:13 PM
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I just can't imagine any team taking on a $3.5M risk.

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I just can't imagine any team taking on a $3.5M risk.
3.5M for one year isn't much of a risk especially when he has a 25+ goal potential. The guy just needs to stay healthy. If anything, he's been very unlucky the past couple of years.

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06-15-2010, 08:24 PM
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Williams was solid when he was healthy at the start of the season. It's not worth buying him out of the last year of his contract when his play was good. We're not going to have a cap problem this season anyway.

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The Kings have no cap issues for next season, why add salary to the following season? Williams with Kovalchuk and Kopitar is a solid top line.

No reason to buy him out, they could just send him to Manchester if needed to clear cap space.

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06-15-2010, 08:30 PM
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The Kings do have cap space this summer though. They're not hurting for it. If the Kings can wait a year, on a guy in the final year of his contract, who has won before, has produced before, and who is only 29, they'll get all $3.5 million in cap space.

I guess it all depends on what you mean by big splash. If the Kings were going to buy 3 big ticket free agents, then they need the cap space, but buying out Williams wouldn't get them enough anyway.

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06-15-2010, 08:35 PM
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agree Williams was solid to start the season and seemed to rush back, but it could be time for Simmonds on the 1st line and with Brown on the 2nd line a $3.5m tag for a 3rd line winger is alot.
With that said Williams could be traded during camp if one of the youngsters step up

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The Kings do have cap space this summer though. They're not hurting for it. If the Kings can wait a year, on a guy in the final year of his contract, who has won before, has produced before, and who is only 29, they'll get all $3.5 million in cap space.

I guess it all depends on what you mean by big splash. If the Kings were going to buy 3 big ticket free agents, then they need the cap space, but buying out Williams wouldn't get them enough anyway.
Exactly. Were case, he gets hurt(as expected). Best case, he actually stays healthy and pots 30. If he does get hurt, he will let go next off-season.

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The Kings do have cap space this summer though. They're not hurting for it. If the Kings can wait a year, on a guy in the final year of his contract, who has won before, has produced before, and who is only 29, they'll get all $3.5 million in cap space.

I guess it all depends on what you mean by big splash. If the Kings were going to buy 3 big ticket free agents, then they need the cap space, but buying out Williams wouldn't get them enough anyway.
Say they sign one of the big free agents, the Kings are looking at about roughly $7M of their $9M of open cap space being consumed by one player. Then they have to fill another need on the blueline and maybe add another forward.

If they bought Williams out and signed an elite forward and added another forward and veteran defenseman, I think the Kings will be pressed right up against the cap. Hence the reasoning for buying Williams out.

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The question is, if they buy JW out, will they find a RW as good or better in free agency?

I think not.

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The question is, if they buy JW out, will they find a RW as good or better in free agency?

I think not.
If they sign Lee Stempniak... or, make Brown and Simmonds the top two RWs and sign Colby Armstrong to be the checking line RW with Handzus and Richardson. I worry that the Kings will end up scrambling to replace Williams again like they did this past season. Three consecutive seasons riddled with injuries is a concern.

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This time next year, there will definitely be a "Buyout Ryan Smyth" thread. You can bank on it!

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Who is supposed to play 1st line RW ?????

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This time next year, there will definitely be a "Buyout Ryan Smyth" thread. You can bank on it!
I don't think so. Smyth is more valuable than Williams. Smyth is made of steel when compared to Williams. Similar to Holmstrom, he's going to take a beating in front of the net and miss games, but he brings a lot to the table. Whereas Williams spends most of the season in crutches or in a cast.

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If they really want to move him, I think they could work out a trade. Even with his injury history, he's worth at least a mid-round draft pick if they simply want to dump him. Not sure who would want in on that, but who knows. He's certainly not easy to trade, but I think it could be done.

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I think Williams played great at the beginning of the season and was the true unsung hero of the first line. If put on a line with Kovalchuk and Kopitar, for example, he would truly shine. He's a smart hockey player and makes tons of little plays that grant his linemates time and space. He's a valuable player at 3.5 and only signed through next year. If he's riddled with injuries next season his contract won't hurt us. I see no reason to buy out a guy still in his twenties who has shown he can play well when healthy and is only signed for one more year. I understand he shat the bed in the playoffs, but he was also rushed back a little too soon. Give him a break.

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Ridiculous idea. He has plenty of gas left and his injuries weren't the typical nagging type of injury. It was just bad luck.

His early season play when healthy was fantastic, and it would be a huge mistake to just give him away. Worst case, he starts off slow and we get him at a discount when he re-up's. Which fwiw I don't see happening since he has all summer to get back into game shape.

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I think Williams played great at the beginning of the season and was the true unsung hero of the first line. If put on a line with Kovalchuk and Kopitar, for example, he would truly shine. He's a smart hockey player and makes tons of little plays that grant his linemates time and space. He's a valuable player at 3.5 and only signed through next year. If he's riddled with injuries next season his contract won't hurt us. I see no reason to buy out a guy still in his twenties who has shown he can play well when healthy and is only signed for one more year. I understand he shat the bed in the playoffs, but he was also rushed back a little too soon. Give him a break.
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Who is supposed to play 1st line RW ?????
Simmonds

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Im down with the Buy out idea. I dont think Willy can return to health. Im almost sure he cant. I thought that when we first got him. And with that extra money that would be sick.

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Can't see the organization having any interest whatsoever in buying out Williams. Neither Dean nor Terry will blame him for any of his injuries last season, and he is still a serviceable top 6 winger in the meantime. Given that we don't have anyone else to fill in for him without trying to over-promote Simmonds, they really have no reason to force a buyout or rush him out of the door. They can afford him taking another shot at it next season.

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I present to you, the impressive injury list of Mr. Glass:

2010/03/12 Missed 28 games (broken right leg).
2009/12/27 Broken right leg, sidelined indefinitely.
2009/11/02 Missed 5 games (lower body injury).
2009/10/24 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2009/10/22 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2009/03/20 Missed 15 games (broken hand).
2009/02/16 Broken hand, sidelined indefinitely.
2008/12/04 Missed 25 games (achilles tendon).
2008/09/17 Achilles' tendon, sidelined indefinitely.
2008/04/05 Missed the last 2 games of the regular season (back injury).
2008/04/02 Back injury, day-to-day.
2008/04/01 Missed 43 games (torn ACL).
2007/12/21 Torn ACL, remainder of the regular season.
2005/10/04 Shoulder injury, day-to-day.
2004/03/27 Missed 1 game (bruised ankle).
2004/03/25 Bruised ankle, day-to-day.
2004/02/21 Missed 3 games (broken left wrist).
2004/02/13 Broken left wrist, sidelined indefinitely.
2003/04/06 Missed 36 games (sprained left knee).
2003/04/04 Sprained left knee, day-to-day.
2003/01/20 Sprained left knee, remainder of the regular season.
2003/01/18 Sprained left knee, left Saturday's game.
2002/11/27 Missed 5 games (strained left shoulder).
2002/11/15 Strained left shoulder, early December.
2001/12/16 Missed 3 games (sprained right shoulder).
2001/12/10 Sprained right shoulder, day-to-day.
2001/03/19 Missed 12 games (broken finger).
2001/02/22 Broken finger, late March.

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