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06-18-2010, 11:18 AM
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No, Just, no. That's not how you build a championship team.
Seems to me if you get a player at 22-23 years that's already shown they do well at this level and are on the rise, that's likely a better option than the crapshoot of possibly getting a turd in the draft (A.J. Thelen, James Shepherd, etc)

Pretty sure championship teams have done it before.

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06-18-2010, 11:33 AM
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I think (hope) Schultz is the guy to moved from the blueline. I like him as a player but I think he makes the most sense to move. It would be nice to keep our blueline the way it is but we have to give to get. Burns isn't going anywhere unless we get blown away with a deal and we don't really have anything of value up front. Regarding what might be coming our way, I really hope it's a center and if we're dealing with Florida that means Weiss. I brought it up a while back but I think Weiss would be great for this team. Plus, the center position is much more important than the wing position.



Ghen again, none of us have any real clue as to what's going on behind closed doors. Who knows what will happen. I won't really be surprised with anything.

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06-18-2010, 11:38 AM
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I will say again:

So you wouldn't trade the 9th overall for Voracek or Okposo?

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06-18-2010, 11:41 AM
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So you wouldn't trade the 9th overall for Voracek or Okposo?
I would. What else would we have to give?

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06-18-2010, 12:12 PM
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I really hope we don't trade important players just because they feel that they need to make some change to the team to appease the fans.

You can get into trouble really quick with that line of thinking.

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06-18-2010, 12:46 PM
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Barker is the one to trade. Not Burns. Barker not going to make an impact. Trade him to a team that thinks he'll be a 2nd pairing Dman who can quarterback their PP. But anyone in Chicago will tell you that's not going to be the case on the Wild.

I would suggest Barker+ to Columbus for Filatov+ if Columbus doesn't use Filatov to bring in a 1st line center. Nash, Huselius, Umberger, and Voracek will be their top-6 wingers for the next few seasons. And Filatov is not a bottom-6 style player. Then again, Filatov on the 2nd line with Voracek, pushing Umberger down to the 3rd line might be an option for Columbus.

After a 1st line center, a offensive Dman is probably Columbus biggest need.

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06-18-2010, 12:55 PM
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That's just ridiculous. Burns might be able to bring back Filatov, Barker sure as hell wouldn't.

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06-18-2010, 12:58 PM
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Barker is the one to trade. Not Burns. Barker not going to make an impact. Trade him to a team that thinks he'll be a 2nd pairing Dman who can quarterback their PP. But anyone in Chicago will tell you that's not going to be the case on the Wild.

I would suggest Barker+ to Columbus for Filatov+ if Columbus doesn't use Filatov to bring in a 1st line center. Nash, Huselius, Umberger, and Voracek will be their top-6 wingers for the next few seasons. And Filatov is not a bottom-6 style player. Then again, Filatov on the 2nd line with Voracek, pushing Umberger down to the 3rd line might be an option for Columbus.

After a 1st line center, a offensive Dman is probably Columbus biggest need.
Filatov? You realize he fled to Russia, right?
Who on God's green Earth is going to trade for Filatov? No one. Because as soon as he's unhappy with anything he'll just flee back to Russia. He's damaged goods.
Also, why would Fletcher trade someone away he just traded for?That doesn't make any sense at all.

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06-18-2010, 01:05 PM
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Barker is the one to trade. Not Burns. Barker not going to make an impact. Trade him to a team that thinks he'll be a 2nd pairing Dman who can quarterback their PP. But anyone in Chicago will tell you that's not going to be the case on the Wild.

I would suggest Barker+ to Columbus for Filatov+ if Columbus doesn't use Filatov to bring in a 1st line center. Nash, Huselius, Umberger, and Voracek will be their top-6 wingers for the next few seasons. And Filatov is not a bottom-6 style player. Then again, Filatov on the 2nd line with Voracek, pushing Umberger down to the 3rd line might be an option for Columbus.

After a 1st line center, a offensive Dman is probably Columbus biggest need.
You mean a team like us?

Let's just give Barker back to Chicago and take Leddy back then.

Do over!!!

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06-18-2010, 01:21 PM
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You mean a team like us?

Let's just give Barker back to Chicago and take Leddy back then.

Do over!!!
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06-18-2010, 01:48 PM
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I don't even know what to say to that.

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06-18-2010, 02:19 PM
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Seems to me if you get a player at 22-23 years that's already shown they do well at this level and are on the rise, that's likely a better option than the crapshoot of possibly getting a turd in the draft (A.J. Thelen, James Shepherd, etc)

Pretty sure championship teams have done it before.
As much as I harp on the crapshoot the draft is, I'm willing to take my chances. Championship teams have those few extra pieces to win. Those pieces commonly come for having room against the cap. Having great players on entry-level deals gives you the cap room. 22-23 year-olds are not on entry level deals.

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Do you guys think Burns + 1st + Sheppard could bring in Horton and Weiss?

I don't really know much about Florida's needs but the value should be close and it would fill our needs.

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I would be a little overkill IMO. If they are truly rebuilding that team up then the 1st rounder, Sheppard, and probably one of the prospects would be more than enough.

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Do you guys think Burns + 1st + Sheppard could bring in Horton and Weiss?

I don't really know much about Florida's needs but the value should be close and it would fill our needs.
I wouldn't do it.

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I wouldn't do it.
Nor would I.

#9 for Weiss is slight overpay by us IMO, and I wouldn't deal Burns for Horton, not even close and I'm not a Burns fan.

#9 + #56(or a prospect/Sheppard) for Weiss + #36. Florida still has #33 and we get a 2nd pick in the 30s allowing us to work the draft in our favor still.

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I guess I over valued them, my thinking was they are Florida's top 2 point getters both drafted with top 4 picks.
Figured it would take a lot to get both and Sheppard was basically a throw in to put it over the top.

Guess its a good thing im not our GM.

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06-18-2010, 06:03 PM
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I will say again:

So you wouldn't trade the 9th overall for Voracek or Okposo?


No. I'm not trading #9+ for a 2nd-liner that is going to be making good money is short order. We can do better.

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06-18-2010, 06:18 PM
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You mean a team like us?

Let's just give Barker back to Chicago and take Leddy back then.

Do over!!!
I warned you about Barker

Everyone just said he needed more icetime and that Leddy was a reach , etc

Well looking back on it I am very happy to have the slug gone

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No. I'm not trading #9+ for a 2nd-liner that is going to be making good money is short order. We can do better.
Why #9+? 9th straight for Voracek or Okposo. You still wouldn't do it?

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06-18-2010, 06:58 PM
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Why #9+? 9th straight for Voracek or Okposo. You still wouldn't do it?
Straight up? No. I'll take the chance for a better, cheaper player that will help in 3 years, when it will count.

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It's reay hard to decide if it's better to trade a high draft pick for a proven player or keep the draft pick with the draft history this team has. I realize it's a new regime but we won't even be able to really judge their drafting and development for at least another season or two.

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I warned you about Barker

Everyone just said he needed more icetime and that Leddy was a reach , etc

Well looking back on it I am very happy to have the slug gone
I was being sarcastic. I haven't passed judgement on him yet and I still think he can be a good player, just like Burns can still be a good player.

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Straight up? No. I'll take the chance for a better, cheaper player that will help in 3 years, when it will count.
I would do it. That 9th overall could turn out to be Sheppard or Thelen or Pouls.

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I would do it. That 9th overall could turn out to be Sheppard or Thelen or Pouls.
Or it could turn out to be Dion.

But it's really not the player versus pick. It's the time frame. You can't have a roster full of full-paid players. You need some bargains.

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