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06-17-2010, 02:05 AM
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I posted this in the Bob McKenzie thread. Thoughts?:

Halak + AK for Malone + 6th overall
SK + 1st in 2011 for Sharp
6th overall + 27th overall for 4th overall

That gets us two top 6 wingers and 4th overall this year. Heck, Florida is trading Horton by next week and is looking for a top 2 centreman:

Plekanec for Horton

Horton only makes $4m a year for the next 3 years and we'd be adding plenty of size to our top 6. Buffalo is offering Tim Connolly who is injured half the year.

Cammalleri - Horton - Sharp
Malone - Gomez - Gionta

As our top 2 lines. The only issue that I see with these 4 moves is Plekanec is a pending UFA.
Your not getting Sharp for a failed prospect + 1st in weak draft

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As I mentionned before, I just tossed random winger into those lines. I was trying to emphasize that having all 3 of Gomez, Carter and Plekanec would give us strength down the middle that we have not had in a long time. I think it would benefit the team both offensively and dfensively, if we can afford it.
What's the point of signing Plekanec for $5M+ if you'll be playing him with scrubs? c'mon.

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Some Flyers fans seem to be on board with/ they kinda like it, but are hesitant wit Halak, 27th, pacs + weber for Carter, Parent Carcillo.

Wit Andrei traded for a pick/ prospect (to restock our cupboard) and Hamrlik traded for something we can bury in the minors, we end up with this. Of course, fantasy....

Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / * Jeff Carter ($5.000m)
Brian Gionta ($5.000m) / * Colby Armstrong ($2.500m) / * Benoit Pouliot ($1.500m)
* Dan Carcillo ($1.500m) / * Maxim Lapierre ($1.500m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m)
* Evgeni Artyukhin ($1.250m) / * Tom Pyatt ($1.000m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($1.100m)
* Ryan Parent ($1.000m) / Ryan O'Byrne ($0.942m)
P.K. Subban ($0.875m) / * Mathieu Carle ($0.850m)
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price ($2.500m) / * Martin Biron ($1.000m)

Now, having Pouliot and Armstrong as some of our top 6 wingers kinda sucks, but we would have 2 good centres, one big and also a sniper along with Gionta and Cammalleri who are good wingers.

The 3rd line in Carcillo, Moen and Lapierre can agitate they all have some hands to score and all hit. We'll have an actual energy line for once that's not a burden to be on the ice. Lapierre and Moen both kill penalties.

4th line with Arthyukhin, Pyatt and White. The latter two are smaller players, but they can skate, attacking with speed. R2 can as well. White can handle himself in a fight, we all know Pyatt is good defenseively, so we'll have 1 forward who knows what to do and can help out the d. White tries. R2... Eh.. He's there for hitting and occasional fight.

Cammalleri and Carter are both goal scorers, but they can dish the puck too. Armstrong can get into the corners and get the puck free to, say Carter who's downlow helping out too, who can find Cams, and then Carter can get the rebound if there is one.

Gomez, Gio and Pools worked before, it could work again. Especially if Pools adds some weight in a good way and plays physical.

All of that leaves us with 1.4 mill. It includes an extra defenseman. So, we'd just need to call up a forward, like Maxwell, or someone.
Siince when is White considered a "smaller player but he can skate" I found trhat comical considering White is around 210lbs and is a subpar skater. Unless you meant Todd White

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06-17-2010, 09:27 AM
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What's the point of signing Plekanec for $5M+ if you'll be playing him with scrubs? c'mon.
Jordan Staal gets $4 million+ to play with scrubs on Pittsburgh's third line, but they sure seem to appreciate what he brings to their team.

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06-17-2010, 09:52 AM
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Gudbranson or Fowler. You'd then have Gudbranson/Fowler, Subban, Gorges and O'Byrne as your young D core with Markov.
I thought you would of been interested in Gormley. I wouldn't be surprised if Fowler went 3rd overall and Gudbranson was still available with the #6 pick.

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06-17-2010, 10:37 AM
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There is a thread on the main boards about the Habs getting both Malone and Horton. Here are my ideas.

1st trade

To MTL :
6th overall
Ryan Malone
Paul Ranger

To TBL :
Carey Price
Roman Hamrlik
27th overall

2nd trade

To MTL :
Nathan Horton
FLA 2010 3rd round pick or MTL 2011 2nd round pick

To FLA :
6th overall
Andrei Kostitsyn

Then you have (assuming Plekanec comes back) :

Horton-Plekanec-Cammalleri
Malone-Gomez-Gionta


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Paul Ranger doesn't play hockey anymore. People in Tampa are only waiting for his official retirement announcement. Just saying.

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06-19-2010, 10:31 AM
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Los Angeles and Montreal

What if Marinaro's Tweet comments have some legs?
Not that I think it does but LA makes a good trading partner with Montreal.

Markov
Spacek
Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
1st Rounder

for

Jack Johnson
Dustin Brown

I know it's not likely LA let's Dustin Brown go but I do think it works fro both teams.

Andrei and Sergei give LA more depth since Frolov is as good as gone.
A Markov Doughty combo just becomes the best in the league.
Scuderi and Spacek round up the top 4 for them

Montreal re-signs Plekanec and signs Frolov

Montreal pairs up:

Subban Johnson
Hamrlik O'Byrne
Gorges Gill
Carle

Gionta Gomez Brown
Cammalleri Plekanec Frolov


Nice top 6.......

Just a thought!..Flame away!!!!!

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06-19-2010, 10:35 AM
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TonyMarinaro ...This year I reported Markov confronted Price after OT loss vs Blues. He's not a big fan of Price. Don't be surprised if he requests a trade.

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TonyMarinaro ...This year I reported Markov confronted Price after OT loss vs Blues. He's not a big fan of Price. Don't be surprised if he requests a trade.
I know what he said....

Thus why I wrote

What if Marinaro's Tweet comments have some legs?
Not that I think it does but LA makes a good trading partner with Montreal.

My question is, Do you guys think it's even remotely possible a trade like this happens?

I love Markov, he's Montreal's MVP!

But if Montreal can get Jack Johnson and Brown in a bigger package I think Montreal should pull that trigger. Especially if Subban proves he can somewhat take over Markov's role

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06-19-2010, 10:50 AM
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What if Marinaro's Tweet comments have some legs?
Not that I think it does but LA makes a good trading partner with Montreal.

Markov
Spacek
Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
1st Rounder

for

Jack Johnson
Dustin Brown

I know it's not likely LA let's Dustin Brown go but I do think it works fro both teams.

Andrei and Sergei give LA more depth since Frolov is as good as gone.
A Markov Doughty combo just becomes the best in the league.
Scuderi and Spacek round up the top 4 for them

Montreal re-signs Plekanec and signs Frolov

Montreal pairs up:

Subban Johnson
Hamrlik O'Byrne
Gorges Gill
Carle

Gionta Gomez Brown
Cammalleri Plekanec Frolov


Nice top 6.......

Just a thought!..Flame away!!!!!
That would be great, but NO WAY LA does this trade.

We are getting back about $4.5M in cap hit and giving away 12-13M.

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Take out Spacek. That's too much salary going to LA. Also, add the rights to Alexander Frolov.

But that's only about value. DO NOT TRADE MARKOV. Some of you guys are ****in insane!

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well rumors are saying LA is interested in K-Bros to replace the loss of Frolov. Would be a nice trade but I won't hold my breath.

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Markov 5,750,000
Spacek 3,833,333
Andrei Kostitsyn 3,250,000
Sergei Kostitsyn (750,000)
1st Rounder

for

Jack Johnson 1,425,000
Dustin Brown 3,175,000
Montreal Kings? Don't think the Kings take an extra 9,000,000 in salary?

Markov and AK are on their last year, SK is RFA and Spacek isn't getting any younger.

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Spacek have 0 value
the sisters have 0 value
the 27th pick ov have little value

So Markov vs Brown+Jack Johnson....dont go public with this one

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Markov is not going anywhere. Confrontation between happen all the time. Price said that had he decided to change things after that incident with Markov.

Markov as been here since the start of his career. I don't see him asking for a trade simply because «he doesn't like Price».

But just for fun IF Markov is really being shopped, the return could be quite good.

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06-19-2010, 11:07 AM
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Just to clear something up......I'm not for trading Markov. This was a hypothetical question / proposal based on Marinaro's tweet comments!

If Markov wants to stay and sign, say another three year extension but if doesn't, this is certainly not a guy Montreal can afford to lose to free agency.

Markov plus plus should be able to land a huge return!

I used LA as an example as they need some forward depth. They will lose Frolov. He's not staying in LA.

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Jack Johnson
Dustin Brown


Montreal re-signs Plekanec and signs Frolov



Subban Johnson
Hamrlik O'Byrne
Gorges Gill
Carle

Gionta Gomez Brown
Cammalleri Plekanec Frolov


Nice top 6.......
I really dig Dustin Brown. Small but fiesty as all hell... and Johnson is a mean D-man with skill. But trading Markov? I don't know about that...

Moving Anderi just to sign Frolov? No!!! They're the same talented, heartless player. Plekanec, again, small...

Our top six stays tiny tiny tiny. Fail!

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Spacek have 0 value
the sisters have 0 value
the 27th pick ov have little value

So Markov vs Brown+Jack Johnson....dont go public with this one
Spacek's salary and length is something a team like San Jose would take on after losing Blake, plus Spacek stepped up in the playoffs with his shutdown role on Ovechkin, not to mention he can contribute offensively as well.

Spacek has value.

Sergei, I agree his value is at a all time low. That being said he is a "high risk, high reward" type of player that could at least get a pick like the Grabovski trade.

AK. He has value, just wouldn't get fair value for him. This guy would be a 30-40 goal scorer ever year playing alongside Crosby or the Sedins, he won't here unless a true top notch centre is his playmaker.

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Markov is not going anywhere. Confrontation between happen all the time. Price said that had he decided to change things after that incident with Markov.

Markov as been here since the start of his career. I don't see him asking for a trade simply because «he doesn't like Price».

But just for fun IF Markov is really being shopped, the return could be quite good.
This team is a lot different than the team Markov played for in the past few years. Halak, Kovalev, Koivu and probably/maybe SK, AK, Spacek, Hamrlik, and Plekanec.

This is no longer the Eastern European Gentleman's Club that it once was.

If he decides to go it won't be just Price but Price could be the straw that broke the camel's back. A new system with a new coach plus an almost new roster, the old guard is slowly being cleaned out.

I can see a whole new batch of defenseman playing here within a year or two. Maybe it's better to bring in/ bring up a whole new bunch of guys together to play defense. I'm a fan of having a young Fab Four on D.

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This team is a lot different than the team Markov played for in the past few years. Halak, Kovalev, Koivu and probably/maybe SK, AK, Spacek, Hamrlik, and Plekanec.

This is no longer the Eastern European Gentleman's Club that it once was.

If he decides to go it won't be just Price but Price could be the straw that broke the camel's back. A new system with a new coach plus an almost new roster, the old guard is slowly being cleaned out.

I can see a whole new batch of defenseman playing here within a year or two. Maybe it's better to bring in/ bring up a whole new bunch of guys together to play defense. I'm a fan of having a young Fab Four on D.
That being said this is from thefourthperiod.com site:

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According to the Gazette, the Canadiens may let Plekanec hit the open market next month and go after a bigger center via free agency or trade.

Outside of Plekanec, Patrick Marleau of the San Jose Sharks is the other pending UFA center who can play on a first line.

It's also believed the Canadiens are interested in bolstering their blueline and have been linked to Nashville defenseman Dan Hamhuis and Ottawa rearguard Anton Volchenkov.
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/mtl100618.html

If that were to happen not only would Plekanec have to be let go, but other potential and bigger moves would have to be made to fit that into the cap.

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They aren't trading their Captain Dustin Brown. Jack Johnson im not sure of. How about Keith Ballard from Florida? I'd take him on my team.

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That being said this is from thefourthperiod.com site:



http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/mtl100618.html

If that were to happen not only would Plekanec have to be let go, but other potential and bigger moves would have to be made to fit that into the cap.
Well the only way we sign a d-man outside perhaps a #7 (which we don't really need either) is if one of Hamrlik or Spacek is dealt. And that, in turn, would free up some cap space to sign those guys. Hopefully we can find a partner to take on one of these contracts without grabbing much salary back, and then it could be realistic. I'd love to see Markov - Volchenkov as our top pairing.

Cammalleri - Marleau - A. Kostitsyn
Pouliot - Gomez - Gionta
Lapierre - Eller - Pyatt
Moen - Moore - White

Markov - Volchenkov
Spacek - Subban
Gill - Gorges

Price
Biron

Would be a bit of a squeeze, but I think it could fit. Depends what kind of payday Marleau and Volchenkov are looking for.

Of course, all this is far more speculation than any kind of substantiated rumour.

Oh, and about the actual thread itself... there is no way Los Angeles is trading Dustin Brown. NO. WAY.


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What if Marinaro's Tweet comments have some legs?
Not that I think it does but LA makes a good trading partner with Montreal.

Markov
Spacek
Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
1st Rounder

for

Jack Johnson
Dustin Brown

I know it's not likely LA let's Dustin Brown go but I do think it works fro both teams.

Andrei and Sergei give LA more depth since Frolov is as good as gone.
A Markov Doughty combo just becomes the best in the league.
Scuderi and Spacek round up the top 4 for them

Montreal re-signs Plekanec and signs Frolov

Montreal pairs up:

Subban Johnson
Hamrlik O'Byrne
Gorges Gill
Carle

Gionta Gomez Brown
Cammalleri Plekanec Frolov


Nice top 6.......

Just a thought!..Flame away!!!!!
Basically L.A would lost their best players for two young guys who shown nothin and a injured players??

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This is abysmal for the Kings, they don't consider this for a second. Go back to the drawing board.

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