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06-19-2010, 12:24 PM
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i wouldn't say it tapers off, but the lower rounds definately aren't as good as some past years. atleast they're not projected to be.

but this years 1st round is one of the deepest we've seen in a while, IMO
I heard the exact opposite, and that after Hall and Seguin it drops way off.

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06-19-2010, 12:24 PM
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do you think it could be a possibility that the flyers made this trade in order to sign him and utilize him in another trade?

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Conditional Pick is appearantly a 7th round pick (most likely if he does not sign)

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06-19-2010, 12:25 PM
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Why do we have to get rid of one of Carle/Coburn? Why can't we just have a stacked defense?

How much do you guys think Hamhuis will want.

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This will allow them to sign Leighton for cheap. Having 5 terrific dmen will make up for his issues. They simply can't keep playing two 35 year old dmen for half a game.
...and you can accomplish that without going uber cheap and risky in goal. Signing Leighton for cheap is a flat TERRIBLE idea. I don't care how good your defense is, they can't prevent goals like the Kane goal from being scored.

They don't need to have the 6 D they'll have in the playoffs in August, they need to have 'em in the spring. Maybe Bartulis develops into a very capable third pairing guy... maybe they sign a capable vet that wants to make a run at the cup on the cheap.

Even with Hamhuis (again, assuming he signs) they need to improve their situation in net.

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Hamhuis agent just told me no contract in place with Flyers so this wasn't pre-arranged. Still though, lots of time for Flyers.

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Why do we have to get rid of one of Carle/Coburn? Why can't we just have a stacked defense?

How much do you guys think Hamhuis will want.
Cuz there was a lockout, we missed an entire season of hockey, and then they instituted a salary cap.

Also, we need a goalie, and he probably won't be free.

'Course, Holmgren may not be in agreement that latter point.

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06-19-2010, 12:27 PM
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To me getting Hamhuis is a red flag that Holmer is gonna stick with the Leighton/Boucher combo *puts gun to head*

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do you think it could be a possibility that the flyers made this trade in order to sign him and utilize him in another trade?
No. They wanted him at the deadline, and now they got him.

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I heard the exact opposite, and that after Hall and Seguin it drops way off.
really? i disagree, i think more 1st rounder from this year's draft will pan out than 2008 or maybe 2009. Obviously, i can't pin that as more of just a 'gut feeling' right now. but i think this years first round has everything. dynamic scoring, power forwards, snipers, stay at home defensemen, puck movers, all around d-men, potential franchise goaltending.

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06-19-2010, 12:28 PM
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I guess this means that Ellis isn't coming here.

Does anyone have a scouting report for those of us who don't have the opportunity to watch Hamhuis play. Where would he rank up with our current defensemen?

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After this trade, what does this mean for the Flyers

Are we more or less likely to sign Coburn?

Does this mean the UFA's are all gone?

How much will Hamhuis want?

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06-19-2010, 12:29 PM
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****ing love this if we sign him around 4 per year.

If we sign him, I predict Carle for a 1st this year or if Coburn is indeed having contract issues, he goes to VCR for Schneider and a pick.
Our GM isn't named Lou Lamoriello so that pick that you speak of will be going from us to VCR.

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I guess this means that Ellis isn't coming here.

Does anyone have a scouting report for those of us who don't have the opportunity to watch Hamhuis play. Where would he rank up with our current defensemen?
2nd pairing shutdown guy that's also good for 25 points a year. Quality player. And only 28.

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...and you can accomplish that without going uber cheap and risky in goal. Signing Leighton for cheap is a flat TERRIBLE idea. I don't care how good your defense is, they can't prevent goals like the Kane goal from being scored.

They don't need to have the 6 D they'll have in the playoffs in August, they need to have 'em in the spring. Maybe Bartulis develops into a very capable third pairing guy... maybe they sign a capable vet that wants to make a run at the cup on the cheap.

Even with Hamhuis (again, assuming he signs) they need to improve their situation in net.
It may or may not be a terrible idea but he did improve under Reese in a short period of time. Not only that but there are a lot of goalies available right now so it's a buyer's market. It will drive his value down, or if they choose to go with someone else they won't cost a fortune, either.

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...and you can accomplish that without going uber cheap and risky in goal. Signing Leighton for cheap is a flat TERRIBLE idea. I don't care how good your defense is, they can't prevent goals like the Kane goal from being scored.

They don't need to have the 6 D they'll have in the playoffs in August, they need to have 'em in the spring. Maybe Bartulis develops into a very capable third pairing guy... maybe they sign a capable vet that wants to make a run at the cup on the cheap.

Even with Hamhuis (again, assuming he signs) they need to improve their situation in net.
QFT.

I don't care if we roll out the best 6 D-men in the league. I'll be furious if we roll into the season with Leighton and Boucher.

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06-19-2010, 12:30 PM
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this has to mean coburn is out imo. I see his rights going for a goalie prospect or a draft pick.

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I guess this means that Ellis isn't coming here.

Does anyone have a scouting report for those of us who don't have the opportunity to watch Hamhuis play. Where would he rank up with our current defensemen?
Better than Carle, and on par with the Coburn we saw in the finals but much better than the Coburn we saw for most of the year. Not as good as Timonen and Pronger. One of the better #3s in the NHL if we sign him. Here's a little thing about his strengths/weaknesses:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/players/54406/Dan_Hamhuis

I think he's a little better offensively than that gives him credit for. He played for an offensively challenged team in Nashville and I think would be a consistent 35-40 point defenseman here if he signs.

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The pick could always be thrown into another deal for a goalie.

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QFT.

I don't care if we roll out the best 6 D-men in the league. I'll be furious if we roll into the season with Leighton and Boucher.
agreed

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QFT.

I don't care if we roll out the best 6 D-men in the league. I'll be furious if we roll into the season with Leighton and Boucher.
Hell yes. I will kill someone if we have Leighton and Bouch. It's just ******** that we dont make a bigger move for a goalie. If we had a goalie we will be a serious cup contender this year.

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I think hamhuis is an upgrade over carle or coburn. Between the two, I'd rather see Carle traded. I dont think Coburn will sign for as much as Carle makes and after the season Carle had, its likely he'll get a better return.

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do you think it could be a possibility that the flyers made this trade in order to sign him and utilize him in another trade?
I think that is a possibility. He has too many cap dollars located on defense if he signs Hamhuis then re-signs Coburn.

The other possibility is that he plans on rolling with a stacked defense in place of a goaltender.

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I refuse to believe that anyone is dumb enough to roll with Leighton and Boucher as our combo next year. Anyone.

Therefore I have to believe that one of Carle, Coburn, or Carter is going to be moved. Probably one of the former two.

I'm stoked about this potential defense though.

Pronger-Carle/Coburn
Timonen-Bartulis/?
Hamhuis-Bartulis/Syvret

You gotta figure that all three of Pronger, Timonen, and Hamhuis could easily split 20 minutes a night between the three. That way all three are fresh at all time and we're always rolling out an elite defender (if you're willing to classify Hamhuis as elite...or at least top-notch).

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Cuz there was a lockout, we missed an entire season of hockey, and then they instituted a salary cap.

Also, we need a goalie, and he probably won't be free.

'Course, Holmgren may not be in agreement that latter point.
This is sad because it is true.

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