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06-19-2010, 01:45 PM
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I don't think Parent needs to sign a two-way deal, though. His defensive game is his strength. He has very very good foot speed. The only weak part of his game is his offensive game.

I am more than pleased with this deal. For starters, I will continue to cheer for the Predators North.....AND we got back the prospect I never wanted to trade to begin with. Parent, if his back will allow him, can be an extremely gifted shut-down d-man. He has size, he has speed, and he has sound defensive instincts. Let's just get him on the ice.

I would say Grebs is likely gone, OR we are trading Franson. It would be intriguing if we could somehow acquire a forward now......

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06-19-2010, 01:47 PM
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I don't think Parent needs to or will sign a two way. He's clearly better than Sulzer, and Blum\Josi are likely not ready yet.

I'm thrilled with this deal. I didn't particularly want Hamhuis back for the cost, and to get a guy I was bummed to lose originally...albeit a guy whose had injury problems...for something we were going to lose anyway, that's great news.

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A forward for what? Right now Nashville needs a BETTER forwards, Not more, they got plenty of quantity, they need quality. I like Singleton's idea about getting Buff.

With Grebs possibly leaving, the cap crunch won't be as bad and you can do two things:

find a way to trade Dumont and replace him with Buff.

or pie in the sky

Trade for Buff and play with a tough 3rd scoring line: Buff:O'reilly/Gocumont.

Byfuglien can play defense and 3rd line while scoring. And he would be Radulov insurance IF the idiot savant either comes back not quite as talented, Nashville has to move him because he is a pestlence, or Radulov decides he lines the land of vodka and blintzes.

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Obviously, I think the Predators have to move Dumont at this point. He has no value to the team on the third line. 4.5 million is a fair salary, and I still think he can earn that salary level elsewhere........just not here.

I would be on board the Horton train if he is available. It would add more size, versatility, and injury prone-ability to the front line .

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So with this move we have our starting 6 for next year on the blue line. Do we split up Weber and Suter or leave them together, use Klein/Bouillon as the second pairing and have Franson and Parent as the number 3 pairing?

If we split up Suter and Weber, would we have something like Suter/Klein, Weber/Bouillon and Franson/Parent?

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06-19-2010, 02:56 PM
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Flyers' fan here.

I'd just like to say Thank You to Nashville. I guess talks broke down and they weren't going to get Hamhuis back, so something is better than nothing. I suppose Parent COULD turn his career around, but at this point he's entirely useless.

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06-19-2010, 03:45 PM
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Flyers' fan here.

I'd just like to say Thank You to Nashville. I guess talks broke down and they weren't going to get Hamhuis back, so something is better than nothing. I suppose Parent COULD turn his career around, but at this point he's entirely useless.
no more useless to us than 2 weeks worth of rights to a player we had zero chance of re-signing.

worst case scenario Parent is the #7 d-man and gets a year to get healthy riding the pine.

best case he plays close to his potential and we get a cheap servicable 3rd pair defenseman.

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If Parent can be a steady 3rd pair D-man for $1M then i'm happy with it. We've got plenty of offense on the blueline, so it's fine by me to have a defensive d-man. I expected to lose Hamhuis for nothing, and with the prospect depth we haveon the blueline if Parent fails, it's really no risk.

Philly isn't exactly known as being a team that handles injuries well. So maybe the Preds can keep him together a little better. As far as someone mentioning his ice time in the playoffs, When a team has Pronger and Timonen as their top pair, Ryan Parent just isn't going to see much TOI, and he certainly isn't getting powerplay minutes either.

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no more useless to us than 2 weeks worth of rights to a player we had zero chance of re-signing.

worst case scenario Parent is the #7 d-man and gets a year to get healthy riding the pine.

best case he plays close to his potential and we get a cheap servicable 3rd pair defenseman.
I see the worst case scenario as Parent gets icetime out of default, and he doesn't play well, and we are worse team with Parent, Klein, Franson, and rookies on defense.

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Flyers' fan here.

I'd just like to say Thank You to Nashville. I guess talks broke down and they weren't going to get Hamhuis back, so something is better than nothing. I suppose Parent COULD turn his career around, but at this point he's entirely useless.
I was coming in to say something along these lines. After hearing a lot of bi***ing from Flyers fans about Parent, I'm not sure this is a good trade. Decent enough for getting something in return for someone we couldn't sign.

I'm really hoping that he plays 3rd line minutes if so. Klein/Parent paired together could be worse than Klein/Hamhuis.

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I'm just looking at this and the Forsberg deal becomes better and better with each year that passes.

"the Flyers traded him to the Nashville Predators, in exchange for Ryan Parent, Scottie Upshall, and Nashville's first and third round 2007 picks to boost Nashville's playoff run"

Then Nashville trades the rights to Hartnell and Timonen to Philly for the first back, (Jon Blum) and now, they get Parent back for the rights to Hamhuis.
Seriously? The trade now amounts to Upshall, Hartnell, Timonen, Hamhuis and a 3rd for 22 games of Peter Forsberg.

Expiring contracts or not, I am certain Holmgren sends Poile 10 Christmas cards each year.

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After hearing a lot of bi***ing from Flyers fans about Parent, I'm not sure this is a good trade.
I am a lifelong Flyers fan... and would just like to say, you shouldn't put ANY stock into bi***ing from Flyers fans about their players.

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Parent has the makings of a PK specialist. But for some reason Laviolette did not notice this. Stevens used him on the PK a lot and he was great

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I like Parent, I think he will be ok.


I just wish we could have made it a bigger deal and got one of phillys forwards that may be on the move.

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Nashville needed special teams help. Parent is the PK help. Who's gonna come to help the PP?

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Nice clean move. Better than losing Hammer for nothing.

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I think Parent has to sign a two-way deal or he won't be with the club. It's either he does that and gets playing time in Milwaukee until he matures more, or he wears a suit and tie in the press box every night. I don't see us rolling a Franson/Parent pairing out every night until Ryan gets hurt again.

edit: of course I guess his role in either scenario would be dependent on his performance in camp

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Seriously? The trade now amounts to Upshall, Hartnell, Timonen, Hamhuis and a 3rd for 22 games of Peter Forsberg.

Expiring contracts or not, I am certain Holmgren sends Poile 10 Christmas cards each year.
it depends on your perspective.

to us, we got Forsberg for Upshall and a 3rd. All the others were going away anyway. We didnt lose a single game of use of any of the other three.

whats even funnier is Poile apparently was trying to get upshall back at the time when he got traded to phoenix.

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Yeah I don't count players whose rights were traded before FA opened as players we lost in a trade. Hamhuis, just like Timonen and Hartnell, already had their bags packed and both feet out the door. They just hadn't turned around to close it yet.

I'm not sure I'm ok with letting Grebs walk and having Parent as the answer, though. I like the kid, and if he can stay healthy I think he'll bring something to the blueline. I'm just not convinced it's this season. I'd assume Bouillon will be paired with Klein, and they will be able to eat 14-17 minutes per game. I guess if we can limit a Parent/Franson pairing's ice time it wouldn't be so bad.

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Yeah I don't count players whose rights were traded before FA opened as players we lost in a trade. Hamhuis, just like Timonen and Hartnell, already had their bags packed and both feet out the door. They just hadn't turned around to close it yet.

I'm not sure I'm ok with letting Grebs walk and having Parent as the answer, though. I like the kid, and if he can stay healthy I think he'll bring something to the blueline. I'm just not convinced it's this season. I'd assume Bouillon will be paired with Klein, and they will be able to eat 14-17 minutes per game. I guess if we can limit a Parent/Franson pairing's ice time it wouldn't be so bad.
the more I think about it the more I think poile is trying to get grebs to sign for smaller dollars and parent will be our #7.

Poile will then try to dump Sulzer for the proverbial bag of pucks.

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Guys, what are your thoughts on Hamhuis and how much he is worth?

Also, I loved Parent and I hope he succeeds with you. If he can shake the injury bug, he will be a good player.

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Guys, what are your thoughts on Hamhuis and how much he is worth?

Also, I loved Parent and I hope he succeeds with you. If he can shake the injury bug, he will be a good player.
He'll get his money, this is his money contract and being behind Weber and Suter he didn't play as a No. 2 defenseman here, but will be compensated as one. I'm thinking unless he gets a cap-friendly lifetime deal that he will be around $4-$4.5 mil annually...

One of the biggest problems with signing Hamhuis and it was apparent in his last contract negotiation too was that he is hardcore NHLPA union loyal and feels it's his responsibility to get the biggest contract he can to help others get bigger contracts around the league as a result. He's already said this summer on the radio up in Vancouver that he will not take a discount to go anywhere, so...Holmgren is going to have his hands full and to sign him will likely be forced to trade a player or two to compensate...

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He'll get his money, this is his money contract and being behind Weber and Suter he didn't play as a No. 2 defenseman here, but will be compensated as one. I'm thinking unless he gets a cap-friendly lifetime deal that he will be around $4-$4.5 mil annually...

One of the biggest problems with signing Hamhuis and it was apparent in his last contract negotiation too was that he is hardcore NHLPA union loyal and feels it's his responsibility to get the biggest contract he can to help others get bigger contracts around the league as a result. He's already said this summer on the radio up in Vancouver that he will not take a discount to go anywhere, so...Holmgren is going to have his hands full and to sign him will likely be forced to trade a player or two to compensate...
I was thinking 5 years at 4M/per or something along those lines.

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I was thinking 5 years at 4M/per or something along those lines.
IMO, that isn't quite enough. Age 27-32 is exactly what I would call prime years and those years will be the most expensive. If you want a 4M cap hit, I think you will have to give him a massively long contract. Like 12 years with it being front loaded. For only 5 years, I think he can get $4.5M or more

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I was coming in to say something along these lines. After hearing a lot of bi***ing from Flyers fans about Parent, I'm not sure this is a good trade. Decent enough for getting something in return for someone we couldn't sign.

I'm really hoping that he plays 3rd line minutes if so. Klein/Parent paired together could be worse than Klein/Hamhuis.
Parent has shown really nice flashes. But he seems to take some time to get his game together, and just about the time you think "hey, he could be what people said" he goes and gets hurt.

I'd read something mid-season that said his back would always be a problem (sorry, I don't have a link).

Still, the potential is there that it's absolutely better than getting nothing for Hamhuis. I have to wonder if some other deal was made, though, with Hamhuis that made it so Nashville couldn't have gotten something better somewhere for the rights to him.

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