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06-20-2010, 09:36 PM
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Go for Biron. With Jeff Reese, a 1.5 mil contract, and the defense we have, he'd be golden. We know he's athletic, no major injury history.

Do it.
Just got to hope to god that Biron doesn't always let in the soft ones.

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06-20-2010, 09:55 PM
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Biron>Nitty>Leighton
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I just read this over the rumor wire:

The Flyers have inquired to the rights of a healthy labrum and / or a time machine for conditional draft picks.

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06-20-2010, 10:17 PM
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My only problem with Niitty being brought back as a #1 is that he had every opportunity to grab it while he was here and he never did. Sure, the D didn't help him at times, but there were multiple chances for him--during different years--and he never ran with it.

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If he wasn't injury prone, then I would say I would be happy to bring Nitty back. But unless we have a legit backup (Leighton for example) that could handle his almost inevitable hip injury, I wouldn't want him. I think he would perform well in front of this defense and team.

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06-20-2010, 10:26 PM
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My only problem with Niitty being brought back as a #1 is that he had every opportunity to grab it while he was here and he never did. Sure, the D didn't help him at times, but there were multiple chances for him--during different years--and he never ran with it.
People always try to say this, but it really isn't true.

Niitty was never really given a stretch of games with any sort of vote of confidence. He was always on a very short leash - one bad start usually meant he would go back on the bench for a while. The only year he really had a shot was the year we were terrible.

He never really got a fair shake here.

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06-20-2010, 10:28 PM
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Do you think he is a worse option than Leighton?
I think he's a better goalie, but a worse option for a starter due to his injury history.

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06-20-2010, 10:30 PM
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I just wanted to weigh in on the hip injury front. I am a Biomedical Engineer, with a concentration in Biomechanics. I am currently trying to find out the specifics of his hip injury and surgery.

But we can't compare this to Emery as his condition of avascular necrosis, where there was a lack of blood flow, and bone actually died and decayed. Most people who aren't of professional athlete build are lucky to be able to walk after this surgery.

Now, I believe Niity's condition was a case of femoroacetabular impingement. Which is essentially the head of the femur or the hip socket is in some way irregular and not perfectly rounded as it should be. J.S. Giguere had this issue and since his surgery has not had any further issues that I know of, essentially the doctor goes in and sands down whatever the impinged surface is and resets the hip.

Also, while I am on the soapbox, if you have a young goaltender, please, PLEASE, refrain from teaching them the butterfly method until they are lanky enough for it to be effective. If you check out the little chart in the PPT I made, please notice the correlation in age learned and hip surgery. If your kid isn't going to be an NHL goalie, he is still going to live with the stress on his hips, and not have a million dollar contract or specialist like Phillipon to fall back on...

For reference, here is a basic PPT I did on the issues with Butterfly goaltending from a Biomechanics point of view: http://docs.google.com/present/embed...49_263g558h7dm

Also this is a great article from SI about the issues goaltenders have had as well: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ies/index.html

And if you really want to get educated, an article on the surgery from the doctor who pioneered it and has worked on many professional athletes, the most recent one being A-Rod, IIRC: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1950586/

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06-20-2010, 10:51 PM
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From what I understood, Nitty didn't have any reshaping of the socket or femur done, it was just a repair of a tears in each his left and right acetabular labrum. Whether or not he has an impingement, I couldn't know, but you would think that a doc would be able to see it rather easily, since he would be looking for it in this case.

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ignore, its eklund.

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06-20-2010, 11:14 PM
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just say no.
we need a number 1 goalie. not 2 goalies who are backups. a combo of Leighton/Boucher/Niittymaki would be setting us up for fail.

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06-20-2010, 11:24 PM
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Personally I think we should go with Backlund...Young goalies have been a new trend. Halak, Rask, Niemi, and I guess Varlamov. Plus I think this kid could have it.

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06-20-2010, 11:34 PM
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Personally I think we should go with Backlund...Young goalies have been a new trend. Halak, Rask, Niemi, and I guess Varlamov. Plus I think this kid could have it.
Do you think he has it in him to become a number 1 of any kind?

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Would seeing what Tampa wants for Mike Smith be a considerable option? I mean looking at the guy's stats, his GAA is not so good but his sv% looks okay.

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Do you think he has it in him to become a number 1 of any kind?
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No.

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06-21-2010, 12:08 AM
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Personally I think we should go with Backlund...Young goalies have been a new trend. Halak, Rask, Niemi, and I guess Varlamov. Plus I think this kid could have it.
That "kid" is going to be 29 in July.

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Would seeing what Tampa wants for Mike Smith be a considerable option? I mean looking at the guy's stats, his GAA is not so good but his sv% looks okay.
Red flag is injuries. Concussions, I think.

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While here, he REALLY struggled positionally. Obviously didn't see enough of him in Tampa to know how he did with that down there, but he always seemed to run into games where he was just swimming in the crease too much. Improved at it a bit after his year as a starter, but think that was more benefiting from not playing as much and staying on point a bit more.
But let's be honest though. It wasn't as if the Flyers had a good goaltending coach anyways when Niitty was here. We all saw first hand the fantastic work Jeff Reese did with Leighton and Emery. Get Niitty a good coach who can correct those tendencies and he's all of a sudden back to the same goalie he was when he was the Finnish starting goaltender at the Olympics in 2006.

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Would seeing what Tampa wants for Mike Smith be a considerable option? I mean looking at the guy's stats, his GAA is not so good but his sv% looks okay.
No thanks on that one. He lost his starting job for at least last season, that doesn't exactly sound promising.

I asked on the Tampa board about Niitty a while ago, only 2 or 3 people responded but, they said they didn't see Niitty coming back, and he did have some issues with consistency but the defense was more of an issue than he was.

-- Oh wow got several more replies since then.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=786001

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The Three Sieves.

Pass x 3.
Come on, Biron was excellent when he was here. People rag on the guy all the time, but he was definitely worth his money when he was here. All the hate the man endured was completely unfounded. You'd think he was Rebound Rob or someone of that ilk. He never pulled a prima donna act like Rebound Rob did when he whined to the media about Niittymaki and Biron was always supportive of the back ups. He also stole a couple of playoff rounds when no one gave the team a chance. I'd welcome Biron back with open arms if they decided to go that route.

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Come on, Biron was excellent when he was here. People rag on the guy all the time, but he was definitely worth his money when he was here. All the hate the man endured was completely unfounded. You'd think he was Rebound Rob or someone of that ilk. He never pulled a prima donna act like Rebound Rob did when he whined to the media about Niittymaki and Biron was always supportive of the back ups. He also stole a couple of playoff rounds when no one gave the team a chance. I'd welcome Biron back with open arms if they decided to go that route.
I thought in their first run to the ECF he was very good but his final season he had a very bad playoffs.

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I don't know why Nitty left to begin with. Hes a good goalie when healthy, and he has the ability to take his game to another level on large stages. Health is definitely a concern though.

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Come on, Biron was excellent when he was here. People rag on the guy all the time, but he was definitely worth his money when he was here. All the hate the man endured was completely unfounded. You'd think he was Rebound Rob or someone of that ilk. He never pulled a prima donna act like Rebound Rob did when he whined to the media about Niittymaki and Biron was always supportive of the back ups. He also stole a couple of playoff rounds when no one gave the team a chance. I'd welcome Biron back with open arms if they decided to go that route.
Biron was a middle of the road goalie when he was here, and even though I think his steady positional play would fit in great behind our current defensive core I just think we could do better than Biron round 2.

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06-21-2010, 12:36 AM
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Come on, Biron was excellent when he was here. People rag on the guy all the time, but he was definitely worth his money when he was here. All the hate the man endured was completely unfounded. You'd think he was Rebound Rob or someone of that ilk. He never pulled a prima donna act like Rebound Rob did when he whined to the media about Niittymaki and Biron was always supportive of the back ups. He also stole a couple of playoff rounds when no one gave the team a chance. I'd welcome Biron back with open arms if they decided to go that route.
100% agree as I've stated I love Biron and compare this D to the one we went to the ECF with before and well yea no comparison. I think Biron would have a chance to be a top 10 goalie with this D. (waiting to get electronically ***** for saying that)

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If we somehow manage to keep all these defensemen together, I would be content with Nitty. As far as the more inexpensive options go, he's the best IMO.

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100% agree as I've stated I love Biron and compare this D to the one we went to the ECF with before and well yea no comparison. I think Biron would have a chance to be a top 10 goalie with this D. (waiting to get electronically ***** for saying that)
If we're only talking statistically and not about actual ability, I don't think you're that crazy.

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