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06-21-2010, 12:54 PM
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To MTL:

Jason Spezza


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1st 2010
Thomas Plekanec (signed at $5 million / season)

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Probably to Florida for Horton, prospect and 2nd.

But I can see him going to Dallas for Ribeiro and Dallas's first.

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Spezza in top 5 in PPG over the past 5 years. If you think Hall will be better than any of Malkin, Crosby, or Ovechkin during his career well you're just wrong. So basically at best Hall will be 4th in PPG over a 5 year stretch during his career. Spezza has been 5th. So at worst you're looking at the difference between Thornton and Spezza offensively.

That is assuming Hall hits his utmost peak. Spezza isn't in his prime yet.


Think about this. Analyze the facts and just think about it please. I don't see how you can make much of an argument against this. Hall could be great but to say that Spezza isn't worth the possibility that Hall is slightly better than him offensively is pretty off.

I like Spezza but there's more to hockey then point totals and thats been his "problem", the reason why he's not being compared to the Thorntons and such. At the salary that he's making, if you just do a swap for the 1st overall, the money that you save is more then worth it. Take that money and sign another player. Hall + a 5-6 mil UFA is better then Spezza alone.

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- and now back to the news. How much is Spezza's actual salary per year (or is it the same as the cap hit)? Sorry to be lazy.
His salary for the duration of his contract is 6.6 million I believe.

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To MTL:

Jason Spezza


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1st 2010
Thomas Plekanec (signed at $5 million / season)
i hope mtl jumps all over this, but it would take a lot more than this to get spezza

to mtl:

spezza

to ott:

1st 2010
1st 2011
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rights to plekanec
weber/maxwell/pacioretty

i would go all in for spezza, anything except subban, price or more than 2 first rounders

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Are you actually blaming Bettman for where players move? Really? Seriously?


- and now back to the news. How much is Spezza's actual salary per year (or is it the same as the cap hit)? Sorry to be lazy.
Cap-hit is $7 million. The actual contract, from the numbers I've looked at, has 5 years and $33 million left. So, not a huge difference, but still a savings of $2 million.

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06-21-2010, 12:59 PM
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You keep thinking that.
It's actually not enough going to Ottawa. Spezza is only 26 and has hit 90 points twice and got pretty close another season with 87. But then again this is HFboards where draft picks > proven talent.

This is coming from a Leafs fan too..

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From what I've read, it would take a hell of an offer.
We've dealt before, so I'm curious as to what you think it would honestly take if LA inquired about a deal.

Don't get carried away. I want your opinion on what you think Murray would be looking at from LA.

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I think Ottawa's asking price for Spezza is too much. I don't see any teams who would be looking for a number one centre being able to pay the price. Yes, lots of teams would love to have him, but at the cost, it will be tough to work a deal. Penner and Gagner from Edmonton wouldn't even be considered by Murray, but anything more is waay too much from Edmonton...hell, that might be too much from an Oilers perspective. Calgary needs a top line centre, but do you expect Calgary to accept the Regehr-Stajan-+ deal that Ottawa would want? Nope. I don't see any teams giving a top 5 pick either.

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Probably to Florida for Horton, prospect and 2nd.

But I can see him going to Dallas for Ribeiro and Dallas's first.
Blegh to both of those.

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I like Spezza but there's more to hockey then point totals and thats been his "problem", the reason why he's not being compared to the Thorntons and such. At the salary that he's making, if you just do a swap for the 1st overall, the money that you save is more then worth it. Take that money and sign another player. Hall + a 5-6 mil UFA is better then Spezza alone.
I thought first over-all cap-hits were higher than $1 million. Also, if Edmonton's luck with free agents is anything like ours, that $5-6 million player is going to be pretty lousy.

Anyway, I'm not recommending it for the Oilers. They need to build from within.

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i hope mtl jumps all over this, but it would take a lot more than this to get spezza

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spezza

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1st 2010
1st 2011
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weber/maxwell/pacioretty

i would go all in for spezza, anything except subban, price or more than 2 first rounders
In my opinion, this would be a huge over-payment.

Plekanec is not nearly as far behind Spezza as most people think. Spezza at 90 pts is about equivalent to Pleks at 70-75 pts, simply because Plekanec plays defence. Pleks would stop other teams from scoring 15-20 that would be scored with Spezza on the ice.

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Jeff Carter, Brayden Coburn and Dan Carcillo for Jason Spezza and Chris Campoli.

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I like Spezza but there's more to hockey then point totals and thats been his "problem", the reason why he's not being compared to the Thorntons and such. At the salary that he's making, if you just do a swap for the 1st overall, the money that you save is more then worth it. Take that money and sign another player. Hall + a 5-6 mil UFA is better then Spezza alone.
Ha what?
1) If Hall is anywhere near as good as Spezza, his contract will be around 3mil (bonuses)
2) What part of Thorntons game is better? Playoffs? Nope, Spezza is WAY better there. Defence? Nope, Spezza is slightly below average. Turnovers? Nope, Thornton is consistently worse in terms of turnovers than Spezza is. Thornton had 2nd most last year, Spezza 56th most. Spezza missed games but prorated, he still would have less turnovers than Thornton, Crosby, Ovie, Datsyuk and Kovalchuk. It's not like Spezza has EVER had more giveaways than Thornton... like ever. His defense is at least on par with Thorntons and really Spezza has average defence for a star player, slightly below average for a forward.

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This Columbus fan's offer from another thread remains...

Brassard
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Spezza
#16 overall

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Jeff Carter, Brayden Coburn and Dan Carcillo for Jason Spezza and Chris Campoli.
capwise i dont think philly can even think about this

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We've dealt before, so I'm curious as to what you think it would honestly take if LA inquired about a deal.

Don't get carried away. I want your opinion on what you think Murray would be looking at from LA.

I don't really know LA's roster well enough. Depends on if Murray wants to get more bang for Spezza's cap hit.

I thought there was a fair deal that someone made up a few weeks ago where it would have been:

Weiss, Ballard, 3rd overall for Spezza, Foligno, 16th overall.

Ottawa moves up in the draft, the money's a wash, Florida gets a real top line center, Foligno has a chance to play top 6 minutes, Florida still gets a nice player at 16 and Weiss and Ballard instantly make Ottawa deeper/harder to play against.

So, if most people seemed to think that trade was fair, base it around that.

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This Columbus fan's offer from another thread remains...

Brassard
Huselius
#4 overall

for

Spezza
#16 overall
Yeah, this kind of trade would go down - if it went down at all. Ottawa's 16th overall would be included, we'd get a young center and we get the high pick.

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06-21-2010, 01:08 PM
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IMO if Spezza is traded it will be a 2 for 1 like the Heatley deal.
2 good players around 3-4 m so the salary will add up.

note: I am in no way saying Cheechoo is a good player, but the salary worked and he was a gamble that didn't pay off.

I thought of this one from CBJ

Spezza
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Brassard
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4th overall-OR-Jacub Voracek

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i still think he ends up in edmonton...

sam gagner, riley nash, taylor chorney, edmonton's 2nd...

this would free up a TON of salary for murray, which should probably be his focus if he trades spezza...

this trade would really help ottawa with a rebuild as well, which they should be focusing on if spezza goes anyways...

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i still think he ends up in edmonton...

sam gagner, riley nash, taylor chorney, edmonton's 2nd...

this would free up a TON of salary for murray, which should probably be his focus if he trades spezza...

this trade would really help ottawa with a rebuild as well, which they should be focusing on if spezza goes anyways...
nd by doing that getting a terrible return?

Yah, sounds like a great plan.


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i still think he ends up in edmonton...

sam gagner, riley nash, taylor chorney, edmonton's 2nd...

this would free up a TON of salary for murray, which should probably be his focus if he trades spezza...

this trade would really help ottawa with a rebuild as well, which they should be focusing on if spezza goes anyways...
No.
If we trade Spezza it's to retool on the fly. Murray didn't want to rebuild before, he's not gonna want to rebuild now. It's not like Spezza is forcing his hand here. And if we were rebuilding... still... that's terrible. Sets us up to be a team of marginal players

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i still think he ends up in edmonton...

sam gagner, riley nash, taylor chorney, edmonton's 2nd...

this would free up a TON of salary for murray, which should probably be his focus if he trades spezza...

this trade would really help ottawa with a rebuild as well, which they should be focusing on if spezza goes anyways...
Murray would get run out of town if this actually went down.

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And by doing that getting spare parts in return...

Yah, sounds like a great plan.
None of those are spare parts. Gagner- legitimate second line centre, future top line centre. Nash and Chorney- Decent prospects who should both by NHL regulars in 2-3 years max. Some more development needed obviously. And the 31st overall pick. Is the value there for Spezza, no. But they are not spare parts.

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