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06-21-2010, 01:56 PM
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Why trade for Sharp to come replace Plekanec just to save about 1 mil in cap hit. Sharp would cost LeBlanc and a 2nd or 1st.
Probably a first and another prospect, not Leblanc.

Sharp is more of a goal scorer, a better leader, less of a setup man, better in faceoffs, plays all 3 forward positions and can play point on the pp.

Though, I want Byfuglein, 215 hits over 82 games and 99 hits in 22 games in the playoffs. Yes, he averaged over 4 hits a game.

The big man steps it up. He's no where near as consistently dominate in the regular season, but he tends to go to the front of the net consistently.

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06-21-2010, 02:05 PM
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Probably a first and another prospect, not Leblanc.

Sharp is more of a goal scorer, a better leader, less of a setup man, better in faceoffs, plays all 3 forward positions and can play point on the pp.

Though, I want Byfuglein, 215 hits over 82 games and 99 hits in 22 games in the playoffs. Yes, he averaged over 4 hits a game.

The big man steps it up. He's no where near as consistently dominate in the regular season, but he tends to go to the front of the net consistently.
So make it a 1st and Kristo...still an expensive deal when you have Plekanec's rights and he wants to sign here.

By swapping Plekanec for Sharp you also get a lesser playmaker for Cammalleri who can score 40 if he can stay healthy.

I agree Byfulgien would fill a need for us...but the price has to be a reasonable one, if you trade too many young assets you lose the ability to have the 800k-1 mil players on your roster that contribute like 3-4-5 mil players, that's where teams get real good in the cap world.

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06-21-2010, 02:35 PM
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Byfuglien would be nice but I have no hope in Gauthier. I think he won't do a damn thing worthwhile this summer.

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He had 11 PP points, 6 goals and 5 assists. He only scored 23 points even strength, he isn't worth that salary.

If wanted a big man I would rather Penner.
I tout the two constantly. IMO Byfuglien and Penner are the best two guys that would help any skilled undersized player(s) could have post season success.
I want them in FL to help Weiss (or Horton, whoever wasn't traded for the mentioned) achieve potential.

People say he was great because of Kane and Toews, well I say other way around and Kane and Toews get flattened by Pronger without Byf there.

Yes, Cammaleri with either one of them...flat out nasty.

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06-21-2010, 02:46 PM
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I'd rather Andrew Ladd. He is a young player whose offensive contribution is very underrated (49 and 38 points last two seasons). He is sturdy, strong in the corners, in front of the goal, hits solidly. He is RFA and will probably ask for 2-2.5 $. He is not untouchable and his value is less than Byfuglien but better offensively. We need size and goals, Byfuglien is not good offensively (around 30-35 points) with players like Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews.

Sharp is better than Plekanec but with Andrei Kostitsyn, Benoit Pouliot, Michael Cammalleri and Brian Gionta, we need a playmaking center like Tomas Plekanec/Lars Eller. Sharp is more a goal scorer.

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06-21-2010, 02:54 PM
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They won't get anybody.

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06-21-2010, 03:12 PM
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I'd rather Andrew Ladd. He is a young player whose offensive contribution is very underrated (49 and 38 points last two seasons). He is sturdy, strong in the corners, in front of the goal, hits solidly. He is RFA and will probably ask for 2-2.5 $. He is not untouchable and his value is less than Byfuglien but better offensively. We need size and goals, Byfuglien is not good offensively (around 30-35 points) with players like Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews.

Sharp is better than Plekanec but with Andrei Kostitsyn, Benoit Pouliot, Michael Cammalleri and Brian Gionta, we need a playmaking center like Tomas Plekanec/Lars Eller. Sharp is more a goal scorer.
The fact that Chicago can sign him pretty cheap(around 2 mil) means he might not be on the market, they only save 1-1.5 mil by trading him. I'd definitely trade our 1st rounder for Ladd, but we would probably have to overpay.

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06-21-2010, 03:13 PM
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They won't get anybody.
You're right, the team will fold.

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06-21-2010, 03:27 PM
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I'd trade our 1st straight up for Buffy.

I doubt Chicago will ask for more than that since it's no secret they need to make room

Buffy-Gomez-Gionta
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I'd trade our 1st straight up for Buffy.

I doubt Chicago will ask for more than that since it's no secret they need to make room

Buffy-Gomez-Gionta
Ak-Plekanec-Cammy
Lapierre-Eller-Pouliot
Moen-Pyatt-XXX (White,Ufa,etc)
its a pretty decent lineup, and we can interchange buffy and pools when needed/hotstreak

still need to dump salary though if we want to add someone else...

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Dustin Buffer would be a great addition to this team. Obviously we need some more size that has solid skill. Won't happen though. I have a feeling we resign Pleks and just another minor move or two.

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06-21-2010, 03:47 PM
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its a pretty decent lineup, and we can interchange buffy and pools when needed/hotstreak

still need to dump salary though if we want to add someone else...
You dumb Hamrlik and give Plekanec a max of 4.5 million or sign Lombardi/Jokinen/Cullen at 3 million

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I would love to have Buff even if he does 40 pts. No more Gionta in front of the net and Gio would finally be on the left side to one time it Cammy on the right side, Gomez on the point..

pretty awesome but if we do this, i see us give a decent prospect even if Chicago is not in a position to ask something like that. Honestly, Sergei with Kane would be great for them, we should add a pick or a prospect.

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I would love to have Buff even if he does 40 pts. No more Gionta in front of the net and Gio would finally be on the left side to one time it Cammy on the right side, Gomez on the point..

pretty awesome but if we do this, i see us give a decent prospect even if Chicago is not in a position to ask something like that. Honestly, Sergei with Kane would be great for them, we should add a pick or a prospect.
Chicago is in a pretty good position, he's coming off a great playoffs so his value is probably at it's highest. They probably have 10-15 teams interested and 4-5 willing to give them close to what they want, 2 young assets.

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Well Versteeg is rumoured to be a 2nd round draft pick, if we can trade next years or a prospect for him I would.

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Well Versteeg is rumoured to be a 2nd round draft pick, if we can trade next years or a prospect for him I would.
He brings absolutely nothing we need. He's another small skilled forward in which we have many

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You dumb Hamrlik and give Plekanec a max of 4.5 million or sign Lombardi/Jokinen/Cullen at 3 million
hamrlik has a NTC, the only ''dumpage'' would be to put him in the minors which i doubt the habs will do...

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06-21-2010, 04:38 PM
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our 1st and maybe they have interest in Sergei don't cost much on the cap and can produce in Chicago.

Maxwell and Weber could be trade too at the Draft so maybe they want one of those two

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hamrlik has a NTC, the only ''dumpage'' would be to put him in the minors which i doubt the habs will do...
It expires july 1 IIRC

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He's overated IMO.

Great playoff guy. But still, his best offensive season was 36 points 2 years ago. And you want that guy in our top 6 as a regular ?

As a third liner and if the price to have him isn't to steep I say yes.

Why not trade Sergei Kostitsyn + a draft pick.

They got a young cheap talented foward that could still overcome his personnality issue elsewhere + cap relief.

I don't think Chicago can expect more then that.
I was trying to explain this to someone the other day: you don't need every player in the top 6 to be a big time point getter. If Byfulgien stands in front of the net and never touches the puck but it goes in, thats like an assist. To me it's that more of an assist than most second assists. As long as he makes life tough for goalies and defenders in front of the net, he'll be a welcome addition to our team. He won't be cheap though. Probably Weber and Paccioretty, one of those and 2nd rounder. I'd love to see him on our team.

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I was trying to explain this to someone the other day: you don't need every player in the top 6 to be a big time point getter. If Byfulgien stands in front of the net and never touches the puck but it goes in, thats like an assist. To me it's that more of an assist than most second assists. As long as he makes life tough for goalies and defenders in front of the net, he'll be a welcome addition to our team. He won't be cheap though. Probably Weber and Paccioretty, one of those and 2nd rounder. I'd love to see him on our team.
You do make a good point and I understand your pov. But still, you know that this kind of player is always on a thin margin that all depends of the team performance. On a great succesfull team like Chicago, he's an important part doing all-the-little-small-thing that helps the team.

However, when the team is having a hard time, you start pointing out his low offensive production.

It's easy to see all the good things a player do on a winning team.

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So make it a 1st and Kristo...still an expensive deal when you have Plekanec's rights and he wants to sign here.

By swapping Plekanec for Sharp you also get a lesser playmaker for Cammalleri who can score 40 if he can stay healthy.

I agree Byfulgien would fill a need for us...but the price has to be a reasonable one, if you trade too many young assets you lose the ability to have the 800k-1 mil players on your roster that contribute like 3-4-5 mil players, that's where teams get real good in the cap world.
True, but for big buff, we don't really have a player like him in our system, so to have one that does his job extremely well and possibly only Holmstrom does it better, is something good.

If we trade Hammer/Akost we could get Buff and keep pleks.

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Dustin Byfuglien last season as a forward (I believe he played D from March 18th onwards... Chicago had 5 defensemen listed on their roster sheet for all but 1 of those games, so I'm assuming he played D).

69GP 16G 12A 28PTs -10

Andrei Kostitsyn with the Habs last season:

59GP 15G 18A 33PTs +1

The Habs goal differential was about 60 goals less than the Blackhawks' last season.

Why?

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It expires july 1 IIRC
I thought it expired somewhere in the winter. Oh well. And either way, i think it's a limited NTC.

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I'd rather have Andrew Ladd.

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