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06-21-2010, 03:32 PM
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His NTC will activate on July 1. Like I said, reunite him with Heatley in San Jose. I'd be all over it with a Pavelski, Murray, 1st rounder, and something else. I'd want to see what would get it done.
unfortunately, (for SJ) it would have to be a lopsided deal for Ottawa, no way Murray could be seen to have had his pocket picked by SJ again.
could you imagine the optics of:

To SJ:
Spezza, Heatley

to Ottawa:
Michalek, Pavelsi, Murray, Cheechoo (salary dump), 1st (late 20's), 2nd (late 50's)

That's how you destroy a franchise right there. (good for you mind you...)

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You have to think about it in a salary cap world. 5 years ago that trade makes sense, however those days are gone.

Would you rather have a 60-70pt winger in Hall on consecutive ELC and RFA contracts or a 80pt Spezza making 7mil a year. I can tell you which every GM in the league would take.

There is no way Edmonton trades Hall + for Spezza. Just like NYI wouldn't trade Tavares+ and TB wouldn't trade Stamklos+.
a) there is no way to know hall will put those pts up, or how soon he will do it. by the time he does he may be due for a raise anyways.

b)the cost of a no 1 center is in the 7 mill range easy. you want one, you have to pay for one. any true no 1 center not making that kind of coin will be on his next contract. i could see as low as 6, but the range is 6 to max for these guys. everyone wants cheap with the cap, but no high end player will ever be cheap past a rookie deal. if you want to contend you have to pay to keep SOME of your high end players. the sens without spezza or someone legit to fill his role are gonna struggle to make the playoffs. mike fisher is no #1. hall on wing wouldnt make up for it, nor seguin at center.

c) so i disagree all the gms would want the kid on the entry level. gms want to win, you win with guys you know can produce. spezza may not be a conn smythe guy but his pts help get you in the playoffs. youre gonna have to overpay to keep the kid in the end anyway.

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06-21-2010, 03:35 PM
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All I can think about is this:


What I find funnier is what he's laughing at. He's a smart one.

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06-21-2010, 03:37 PM
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i hope mtl jumps all over this, but it would take a lot more than this to get spezza

to mtl:

spezza

to ott:

1st 2010
1st 2011
kostitsyn bros
rights to plekanec
weber/maxwell/pacioretty

i would go all in for spezza, anything except subban, price or more than 2 first rounders
That's way too much. Real NHL trades involving high end players in this day and age don't involve as many pieces as you've listed.

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06-21-2010, 03:42 PM
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Yup overpaid by $2M dollars and soft as hell, Ottawa best hold onto him or give him away for barely anything, another Alfredson but less talented.

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06-21-2010, 03:42 PM
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i still think he ends up in edmonton...

sam gagner, riley nash, taylor chorney, edmonton's 2nd...

this would free up a TON of salary for murray, which should probably be his focus if he trades spezza...

this trade would really help ottawa with a rebuild as well, which they should be focusing on if spezza goes anyways...
Edmonton's doing a full-blown rebuild. They're not going to take on big contracts via trades.

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06-21-2010, 03:43 PM
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im preparing to get flamed

assuming they don't want to throw away money on a buyout

cheechoo + spezz

roszival, dubinsky, 1st '11

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What I find funnier is what he's laughing at. He's a smart one.
I don't get what you're trying to say...

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06-21-2010, 03:45 PM
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Yup overpaid by $2M dollars and soft as hell, Ottawa best hold onto him or give him away for barely anything, another Alfredson but less talented.
I'd take Spezza over Kessel anyday

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I'd take Spezza over Kessel anyday
Then you would lose my friend

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Then you would lose my friend
If lose you mean a top 2 pick, then yes I would lose

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Yup overpaid by $2M dollars and soft as hell, Ottawa best hold onto him or give him away for barely anything, another Alfredson but less talented.
This is one of the dumbest statements I think I've ever read on HFboards.

A) He's more talented than Alfredsson and otherwise not a comparable player.

B) Almost no players put up the #s he has at $5 million, and if they do they're considered underpaid.

C) How on earth is it in Ottawa's "best" interest to give him away for barely anything.

All I agree with is "Ottawa best hold onto him."

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06-21-2010, 04:00 PM
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They best hold onto him then because he is soft as hell, will never win a playoff series and he giggles like a little girl hehehehehehehehehehehe!
Ottawa will never get fair value for him, he is worth around 5 mill that's it and if you don't believe me, try trading him for equal value you will not get what you think he is worth.

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06-21-2010, 04:10 PM
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Edmonton's doing a full-blown rebuild. They're not going to take on big contracts via trades.
Yeah they'll sign a bunch of ****** UFA's to ones

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06-21-2010, 04:11 PM
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They best hold onto him then because he is soft as hell, will never win a playoff series and he giggles like a little girl hehehehehehehehehehehe!
Right. It's in Ottawa's best interest to keep Jason Spezza because he will never win a playoff series.

Congratulations, you topped your previous post.

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06-21-2010, 04:11 PM
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Then you would lose my friend
hahahahaha. Who needs the comedy channel...

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06-21-2010, 04:12 PM
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They best hold onto him then because he is soft as hell, will never win a playoff series and he giggles like a little girl hehehehehehehehehehehe!
Ottawa will never get fair value for him, he is worth around 5 mill that's it and if you don't believe me, try trading him for equal value you will not get what you think he is worth.
Spezza has won more playoff series in one year than any Leaf ever has in one year. Ever.

Ever.


Find me one Leaf that won 3 playoff rounds in one year.

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06-21-2010, 04:13 PM
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This Columbus fan's offer from another thread remains...

Brassard
Huselius
#4 overall

for

Spezza
#16 overall
something close to this.
maybe we can throw in the 55/decent prospect as well.

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06-21-2010, 04:15 PM
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Spezza has won more playoff series in one year than any Leaf ever has in one year. Ever.

Ever.


Find me one Leaf that won 3 playoff rounds in one year.
What do the Leafs have to do with Jason Spezza?

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Spezza has won more playoff series in one year than any Leaf ever has in one year. Ever.

Ever.


Find me one Leaf that won 3 playoff rounds in one year.
Giguere but yea...

This guys an idiot...Spezza is way way better then any other leaf.;

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Yup overpaid by $2M dollars and soft as hell, Ottawa best hold onto him or give him away for barely anything, another Alfredson but less talented.
Did... did you just call Alfie overpaid and soft?

Overpaid : Alfie is still a great player even at his age, close to a PPG player still, and only makes 4.875 mill.

Soft : Are you nucking futs? The man has the recuperative powers of a Greek god. Geez, in his late 30s, he plays with and comes back earlier from more injuries than most guys in their early 20s do. Get a clue. Oh, and its Alfredsson, not Alfredson. Learn the man's name, and watch a game or two. Get educated before you spout bull about something you know nothing about.

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im preparing to get flamed

assuming they don't want to throw away money on a buyout

cheechoo + spezz

roszival, dubinsky, 1st '11


The kicker is that the 1st isn't even in 2010, its in 2011, a much MUCH weaker draft, and a draft where they would be picking much lower with Spezza in the lineup.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I won't even touch on the idiots throughout this thread that keep comparing Spezza to Heatley, when anyone that actually lives here and knows the situations that they are like night and day.

One thing that doesn't get touched on enough here is that if (and that's a BIG if) Murray decided to trade Spezza by July 1, that there would be 29 teams bidding for him, not 1 or 2 like with Heatley. Competition from buyers tends to drive up prices that the seller can command, basic economics...

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06-21-2010, 04:16 PM
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Spezza has won more playoff series in one year than any Leaf ever has in one year. Ever.

Ever.


Find me one Leaf that won 3 playoff rounds in one year.
I am talking about from this year forward, he will never win a playoff series with Ottawa.

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06-21-2010, 04:20 PM
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def a no on dubinsky mcdonagh and the 10th overall pick from a rangers perspective although i don't think you're that far off.

maybe something like mcdonagh and the 10th overall for spezza

or anisimov mcdonagh the 10th overall, the 40th overall for spezza and the 16th overall

they don't want to deal dubinsky at all. they made that quite clear last summer. and truth be told if dubinsky doesn't get hurt this past season he's looking at maybe his first 25 30 goal year.

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06-21-2010, 04:23 PM
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What do the Leafs have to do with Jason Spezza?
Absolutely nothing, but he's trolling so I don't care how stupid I come off as to him

As to the person who said Giguere, I meant while playing on the Leafs. In their history in the league, going back to the Apps, Bower, Broda eras.

Whatever, it's clear this boy hasn't a clue what he's talking about and is just tryna stir shi* up

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06-21-2010, 04:27 PM
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Well that's what it's gonna take. Ottawa's better off keeping Spezza and he will only be traded if Murray gets an offer that benefits the Sens and if it's one that he can't refuse. 1st overall + would be one of those offers.
LOL. 1st+ would be one of those offers, if Steve Tambellini suddenly turned mentally retarded. 1+ is a HUGE over payment, there are very few players who could justify the 1st overall, and that's going to be a young player who put up big pts already.

Not some old degrading center, with not much of a physical upside, sure he's good, not 1st overall good, 2nd overall good, or 3rd overall good. you'd need something like Bobby ryan + a late first round + a prospect to get the first overall, easily.

Man how teams overvalue their stuff. Think Heatley and that's what you're getting. Not no franchise player + to lead your team for 20 years for 5 years of Spezza.

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