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06-21-2010, 05:42 AM
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That is also true. Props.
You do have a point at the same time, he's not the Turco he once was. I'm just wondering if he was shielded a bit, perhaps gain some of that confidence back.

We just need someone other than Boucher/Leighton tandem.


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I'd do this if Thomas was making 3 million per. Since he isn't, and there is a minimal salary dump...no thanks

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Would you guys be against bringing Nitty back for a cheap option?
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06-21-2010, 10:45 AM
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2005-06 Boston Bruins NHL 38 1 4 2187 101 3 1 2.77 12 13 10 1112 0.917 - - -
2006-07 Boston Bruins NHL 66 0 6 3619 189 7 3 3.13 30 29 4 1796 0.905 - - -
2007-08 Boston Bruins NHL 57 0 2 3342 136 3 3 2.44 28 19 6 1595 0.921 7 0 0
2008-09 Boston Bruins NHL 54 1 6 3259 114 4 5 2.10 36 11 7 1580 0.933 11 1 0
2009-10 Boston Bruins NHL 43 0 8 2442 104 2 5 2.56 17 18 8 1117 0.915 - -

See above Thomas Stats for last 5 years

2005-06 Dallas Stars NHL 68 2 28 3910 166 2 3 2.55 41 19 5 1458 0.898 5 0 2
2006-07 Dallas Stars NHL 67 4 18 3764 140 5 6 2.23 38 20 5 1424 0.910 7 0 4
2007-08 Dallas Stars NHL 62 3 16 3629 140 5 3 2.32 32 21 6 1403 0.909 18 2 4
2008-09 Dallas Stars NHL 74 5 18 4327 203 8 3 2.81 33 31 10 1790 0.898 - - -
2009-10 Dallas Stars NHL 53 4 10 3088 140 8 4 2.72 22 20 11 1465 0.913 - - -

See above Marty Turco Stats

Who might put you over the top?

Now i know that some here believe that Boston has a magical recipe that plays an incredible defensive system that makes Vezina winners but Marty Turco has more games played and considerably less shots against in some of those years


I know you guys need a Goalie and for a decade the cheep route has not helped and now you have a 2 year window or so.

IMHO Thomas is your best bet unless you can get Voukon .


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06-21-2010, 10:51 AM
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IMHO Thomas is your best bet unless you can get Voukon .
Thomas is a good goalie, but his contract is too much and too long.

The fact that Gagne's $5M contract is expiring after the coming season is important for the Flyers - they can offer him less or let him go and use the $ to re-up Carter, Giroux etc.

I'd rather have Turco and his puckhandling, although if Thomas were to appear on re-entry waivers, it would be nice to have him at $2.5 million and let the Bruins pay half.

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I can't imaging trading Gagne for Thomas. He is overpaid for one, old for another, and guys as good or equal to him can be had for a lot less.

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The problem with Thomas is the contract, as others are noting. I want no part of that deal.

I also dislike Thomas' style, but that's another discussion.

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I can't imaging trading Gagne for Thomas. He is overpaid for one, old for another, and guys as good or equal to him can be had for a lot less.
Like who? there aren't too many top 10 Goalies available? they just don't come around and as Flyers fans you guys should know this.It's been a 15 year search since you had one.

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Like who? there aren't too many top 10 Goalies available? they just don't come around and as Flyers fans you guys should know this.It's been a 15 year search since you had one.

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Did you just call Thomas, your BACKUP goalie, a top 10 goalie?

Wow, with two goalies in top 10, it's amazing the Bruins managed the greatest choke in hockey history.

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Did you just call Thomas, your BACKUP goalie, a top 10 goalie?

Wow, with two goalies in top 10, it's amazing the Bruins managed the greatest choke in hockey history.
Are you trolling i dont uderstand this post. if you take the 5 year sample of Tim Thomas' carrer yes its top 10. However if you take just last year Boston has the best goalie in the world and the 15th best goalie in the world.

Which would mean every Goalie in the world would be a back up to Tukka Rask.

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Like who? there aren't too many top 10 Goalies available? they just don't come around and as Flyers fans you guys should know this.It's been a 15 year search since you had one.

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Having one good season does not a top goalie make.

How is Raycroft doing? What about Jim Carey?

A decent run doesn't make him great it just gave him a big contract.
Keeping the size of (potential) contract in mind I would rather have:

Ellis
Nabby
Turco
Mason

maybe even Biron and Leighton for the price difference.


All of whim are UFA's.

There are plenty of trade-able guys right now too like Bernier, Harding, Schneider, Pavelec and others that I'd rather have than Thomas and his $5mill cap hit. And I can't see any of those guys costing us Gagne.

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Are you trolling i dont uderstand this post. if you take the 5 year sample of Tim Thomas' carrer yes its top 10. However if you take just last year Boston has the best goalie in the world and the 15th best goalie in the world.

Which would mean every Goalie in the world would be a back up to Tukka Rask.

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I'll bet I can find a 5 year sample of Turco that's just as impressive, but he'll come cheaper and we can keep Gags.

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Are you trolling i dont uderstand this post. if you take the 5 year sample of Tim Thomas' carrer yes its top 10. However if you take just last year Boston has the best goalie in the world and the 15th best goalie in the world.

Which would mean every Goalie in the world would be a back up to Tukka Rask.

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So you had 2 of the best 15 goalies in the world and still became the 3rd team in the history of the NHL to lose after being up 3-0 in the series? If so then every coach on staff should be immediately fired, especially the goalie coach. I call troll.

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Having one good season does not a top goalie make.

How is Raycroft doing? What about Jim Carey?

A decent run doesn't make him great it just gave him a big contract.
Keeping the size of (potential) contract in mind I would rather have:

Ellis
Nabby
Turco
Mason

maybe even Biron and Leighton for the price difference.


All of whim are UFA's.

There are plenty of trade-able guys right now too like Bernier, Harding, Schneider, Pavelec and others that I'd rather have than Thomas and his $5mill cap hit. And I can't see any of those guys costing us Gagne.
None of those guys have proven a thing and there lies the RUB . A team like Philly is 1 peice from something special perhaps and in hockey the goalie is the most important position.

Philly has gone the average and cheap goalie route and it has burned them many times.

You might get lucky and Squeek in on a shoot out goal again and your goalie the cheap version might win you the cup but those are probably long odds.

Those flukey goals sure take the wind out of your sails.

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I wasn't advocating that the Flyers make that particular move, just noting that Thomas is one of several possibilities apparently in play.

Gagne certainly is still valuable and contributes defensively even when he isn't scoring. But, to play devil's advocate, he's a year away from being a UFA (and, no, he won't take a pay cut just to be a career Flyer), injury prone and has had down years in two of the last three seasons. He made a courageous and effective comeback in the playoffs this year, but also faded in the Final.

Again, to play devil's advocate, Thomas may be 36, but he's a year removed from winning the Vezina and it wasn't like he was horrible this past season -- Rask was just better. In a win-now scenario, Thomas would arguably be a better option than any of the free agent goalies in the market.

No, I don't like his huge cap hit or the length of his contract -- and, ultimately, I think it should also scare off the Flyers. But to say Thomas doesn't have a certain intrigue as a possibility to a club that was awfully close to the Cup with Michael Leighton and Brian Boucher as the goalies, is inaccurate.
Bill I hear you. But a straight up deal just is not in the cards. The bruins would have to sweeten up the deal.

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I'm not a fan of this deal. All due respect to Thomas, but Holmgren can do much better than giving up Gags for an expensive aging goalie.

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Having one good season does not a top goalie make.

How is Raycroft doing? What about Jim Carey?

A decent run doesn't make him great it just gave him a big contract.
Keeping the size of (potential) contract in mind I would rather have:

Ellis
Nabby
Turco
Mason

maybe even Biron and Leighton for the price difference.


All of whim are UFA's.

There are plenty of trade-able guys right now too like Bernier, Harding, Schneider, Pavelec and others that I'd rather have than Thomas and his $5mill cap hit. And I can't see any of those guys costing us Gagne.
Good luck with those guys. imo Vokoun and Thomas put you guys over the top.

The rest,well history will only tell maybe your goalie will become a Thomas.



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Bruins fan here since 1966. Regarding TT,his Vezina year was the best goaltending I have ever seen,just compare his save % to anyone in history. 2 of his other years he went from good to brilliant,with some saves absolutely eye popping. Last year he gave up weak goals but at times was sensational once again. He's a super competitor that's never seen a shot he didn't think he could stop. He got a lengthy contract because B's management believes elite goaltenders stay elite til late 30s. He slipped last year in front of a lifeless,bad Bruins team. Just my 2 cents.

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So you had 2 of the best 15 goalies in the world and still became the 3rd team in the history of the NHL to lose after being up 3-0 in the series? If so then every coach on staff should be immediately fired, especially the goalie coach. I call troll.
Bruins fan here and I do believe the coach should be fired-yesterday.

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i dont like his contract or id take him....and i dont want to trade gags

ps if anyone who saw turco play last year actually still wants him, please explain to me why...soooo many soft goals

vokoun if hes available is the answer, and we have to pull the trigger on that, hes a great tendy

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Technically, if you want to do the deal for Thomas that doesn't screw us, Briere for Thomas is the only deal possible.

Even that one most would shy away from.

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Technically, if you want to do the deal for Thomas that doesn't screw us, Briere for Thomas is the only deal possible.

Even that one most would shy away from.
Eh, I'd be all over that like white on rice.

Thomas expires 2012-13.

Briere expires 2014-15.

That's a win right there. It also saves us 1.5M against the cap.

However, I just can't see Briere getting dealt... it isn't like with a goalie where Thomas knows he is going to be stuck on the bench, and that's a reason to waive his NMC.

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Can't quite believe the parsimony here.

Turco is not going to get you anywhere Leighton didn't. Quite frankly he isn't that good and never really has been since about 2003.

Turco's relatively good year this year (.913 GAA, better than any of his last 5 years) was not as good as Thomas' "down" year. (.915 GAA, his worst season in 3 years, and still solidly average)

The fact is that Thomas is worth his money. The only legitimate concern about the guy going into next year is the hip surgery, but TT is a hard worker and I have no doubt in his ability to come back healthy and compete. And you can be sure of one thing -- he's going to give you 100% of whatever he is whenever you put him in the game. He's unselfish, a great team guy, he doesn't take being in the NHL for granted, and he takes no crap from nobody, he'll go right after wings who like to run the tender.

IMHO, he's a perfect fit personality wise for what the Flyers like to try to be.

Also, I can't really understand being that desperate to hold onto Gagne. Frankly I'm not sure I want him. The Bruins need to spend their cap on a surer thing going forward than Simon, and we're going to have to find the cap space to replace at goal as well.

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Take Ryder off our hands for one year to make the cap work until Sturm, Chara and Bergeron expire and/or sign for less money, and you have a deal.

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Can't quite believe the parsimony here.

Turco is not going to get you anywhere Leighton didn't. Quite frankly he isn't that good and never really has been since about 2003.

Turco's relatively good year this year (.913 GAA, better than any of his last 5 years) was not as good as Thomas' "down" year. (.915 GAA, his worst season in 3 years, and still solidly average)

The fact is that Thomas is worth his money. The only legitimate concern about the guy going into next year is the hip surgery, but TT is a hard worker and you can be sure of one thing -- he's going to give you 100% of whatever he is whenever you put him in the game. He's unselfish, a great team guy, he doesn't take being in the NHL for granted, and he takes no crap from nobody, he'll go right after wings who like to run the tender.

IMHO, he's a perfect fit personality wise for what the Flyers like to be.

Also, I can't really understand being that desperate to hold onto Gagne. Frankly I'm not sure I want him. The Bruins need to spend their cap on a surer thing going forward than Simon, and we're going to have to find the cap space to replace at goal as well.
I think it's cute you think you might do better than Gagne for Thomas. The goalie market is flooded with cheaper options that do not carry substantial (35+ contract) risk like Thomas does.

Turco is a distinct improvement over Leighton... he's nothing special, but Leighton isn't very good at all.

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