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03-21-2005, 10:01 PM
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8 Oiler Prospects and the splits

There has been a baseball theme in the last couple of days (I'm a little jealous of matts to be honest, I no longer have the excitement opening day used to provide. I'm too damn cynical to sit through a game where a team with a 25 million dollar payroll tries to beat a team with a 25 million dollar starting pitcher) and at the risk of driving this over the bend allow me one more hockey/baseball comparison.

Splits. First half/second half. Bill James really felt they were key at projecting a young player into the following season. It makes sense unless we go overboard, but we've heard KP mention guys like Winchester taking a half a season to get used to the lay of the land.

So, I looked up the splits for 8 Oil prospects. Ordinarily I do this with the HN but those buggers didn't give me an AHL update close to halfway so I adjusted backwards from the Feb.15/05 HN and dialing backwards using the AHL site. May not be perfect but here goes:

Jarret Stoll
First Half: 39gp, 13-10-23 (.590)
Second Half: 15gp, 3-5-8 (.533)

Tony Salmelainen
First Half: 34gp, 14-15-29 (.853)
Second Half: 30gp, 4-4-8 (.267)

Raffi Torres
First Half: 27gp, 10-11-21 (.778)
Second Half: 28gp, 7-9-16 (.571)

Brad Winchester
First Half: 34gp, 11-6-17 (.500)
Second Half: 30gp, 8-6-14 (.467)


As I mentioned, there may be some slipups from me going in and looking through the game by game stats but it should be fairly close. Anything stand out Tony Salmelainen?


Here are the four juniors I chose:

Marc Antoine Pouliot
First Half: 37gp, 21-29-50 (1.35)
Second Half: 33gp, 24-39-63 (1.91)

JF Jacques
First Half: 29gp, 14-20-34 (1.17)
Second Half: 40gp, 22-22-44 (1.10)

Rob Schremp
First Half: 28gp, 24-22-46 (1.64)
Second Half: 34gp, 17-27-44 (1.29)

Roman Tesliuk
First Half: 30gp, 1-8-9 (0.30)
Second Half: 40gp, 8-12-20 (.500)


MAP had a heckuva second half, and so did Tesliuk. It'll be interesting to see how well he plays next season.

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03-21-2005, 10:15 PM
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This is unlikely to change Lowe's opinion that small players wear out. But it seems to me that Reddox had a better second half than first in the OHL.

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Homework for Lowetide:

Put your stats machine (fingers and toes I assume) and do the same for Reddox, Spurgeon, Paukovich, Brenk, Goulet, Brodziak, Woywitka, Bishai and Stortini. (the last one had a lengthy suspension so might be flawed).

You made me interested with your first post LT.

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It seemed like Paukovich really picked up his scoring towards the end of the season...

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03-21-2005, 10:48 PM
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Homework for Lowetide:

Put your stats machine (fingers and toes I assume) and do the same for...
:lol
It was a great day for hf humour.

I always like to look at the splits, I usually copy and paste seachd's stats page into my notepad a couple times during the year but I di'nna do it this time around. Sorry LT.

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That's either a lot of fingers and toes or a very creative use of the number of creases on his palms.

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Man, Salmelainen completely dropped off the table. What happened there? I mean that's a pretty significant change ... is there an injury or something?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Flaming
Homework for Lowetide:

Put your stats machine (fingers and toes I assume) and do the same for Reddox, Spurgeon, Paukovich, Brenk, Goulet, Brodziak, Woywitka, Bishai and Stortini. (the last one had a lengthy suspension so might be flawed).

You made me interested with your first post LT.

I'd be interested to see these comparisons as well.

Out of these players - Reddox, Spurgeon, Paukovich, Brenk, Goulet, Brodziak, Woywitka, Bishai and Stortini, I'm interested in seeing Reddox, Spurgeon, and Goulet's numbers. I also like how Brodziak picked his pace up through the second half of the season.. despite the lack of success from the R/Runners.

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Reddox:

34 GP, 11-26-37 (1.09), +2
34 GP, 25-20-45 (1.32), +16

A jarring change from the type of points he was getting, becoming much more of a goal scorer in the 2nd half.

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i wonder if Reddox faced a "weaker" schedule or "weaker" goalies in the second half

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Hmmmmm, I'd be interested in seeing the point differential for Goulet. He definitely played better the 2nd half of the season, but he played on a weaker line much of the second half a well so it'd be interesting to see which he statistically did better in.

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Originally Posted by Matt MacInnis
Hmmmmm, I'd be interested in seeing the point differential for Goulet. He definitely played better the 2nd half of the season, but he played on a weaker line much of the second half a well so it'd be interesting to see which he statistically did better in.
Just going based on watching his stats line, he's probably pretty close to an even split.

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Man, Salmelainen completely dropped off the table. What happened there? I mean that's a pretty significant change ... is there an injury or something?
I think the problem is that he's not hard to pick out and concentrate on. I mean it was painfully obvious that everything the Runners did offensively was through Salmelainen. He's a good little player, but I don't think you can count on him to carry your team by himself, while receiving the full attention of the other team.

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Man, Salmelainen completely dropped off the table. What happened there? I mean that's a pretty significant change ... is there an injury or something?
Yeah, it doesn't stand up and shout NHLer that's for sure. IMO the only good thing in his situation is that guys who played a full season in the NHL "Torres and Stoll" also stunk it up this year. IMO Torres was the biggest dis-appointment, let's hope that his first full NHL season wasn't a fluke.

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03-22-2005, 06:41 PM
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Some of these guys I can't do because I don't have the splits from halfway through the season. Worse comes to worse I'll score them by game, but that's pretty tedious.

Anyway, a few more:

Stortini
First Half: 31gp, 6-11-17 (.548)
Second Half: 27gp, 7-16-23 (.852)

Spurgeon
First Half: 31gp, 8-14-22 (.710)
Second Half: 41gp, 13-27-40 (.976)

Goulet
First Half: 31gp, 9-9-18 (.580)
Second Half: 38gp, 13-16-29 (.763)


Stortini isn't known for offense, but he put together a very nice second half. All these guys did, actually.

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03-22-2005, 07:06 PM
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Summary of LT's finished work so far:

AHL

Jarret Stoll
First Half: 39gp, 13-10-23 (.590)
Second Half: 15gp, 3-5-8 (.533)

Tony Salmelainen
First Half: 34gp, 14-15-29 (.853)
Second Half: 30gp, 4-4-8 (.267)

Raffi Torres
First Half: 27gp, 10-11-21 (.778)
Second Half: 28gp, 7-9-16 (.571)

Brad Winchester
First Half: 34gp, 11-6-17 (.500)
Second Half: 30gp, 8-6-14 (.467)


Juniors

Marc Antoine Pouliot
First Half: 37gp, 21-29-50 (1.35)
Second Half: 33gp, 24-39-63 (1.91)

JF Jacques
First Half: 29gp, 14-20-34 (1.17)
Second Half: 40gp, 22-22-44 (1.10)

Rob Schremp
First Half: 28gp, 24-22-46 (1.64)
Second Half: 34gp, 17-27-44 (1.29)

Roman Tesliuk
First Half: 30gp, 1-8-9 (0.30)
Second Half: 40gp, 8-12-20 (.500)

Stortini
First Half: 31gp, 6-11-17 (.548)
Second Half: 27gp, 7-16-23 (.852)

Spurgeon
First Half: 31gp, 8-14-22 (.710)
Second Half: 41gp, 13-27-40 (.976)

Goulet
First Half: 31gp, 9-9-18 (.580)
Second Half: 38gp, 13-16-29 (.763)

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Jarret Stoll
First Half: 39gp, 13-10-23 (.590)
Second Half: 15gp, 3-5-8 (.533)

Raffi Torres
First Half: 27gp, 10-11-21 (.778)
Second Half: 28gp, 7-9-16 (.571)
I'm curious as to the comparison of above players' AHL stats shown here and their rookie seasons with the Oilers. If I recall correctly, the splits are very similar (although that's strictly based on my fading memory of NHL seasons past )

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Stortini
First Half: 31gp, 6-11-17 (.548)
Second Half: 27gp, 7-16-23 (.852)

Spurgeon
First Half: 31gp, 8-14-22 (.710)
Second Half: 41gp, 13-27-40 (.976)

Stortini isn't known for offense, but he put together a very nice second half. All these guys did, actually.
Zack was on a helluva tear b4 Christmas, I started calling him Scoretini. Then in January he supposedly flipped his lid and abused an official and was suspended for quite a few games, really a poor showing for a guy with a "c" on his chest. Hopefully the incident was blown out of proportion and he continues along the path he seemed to be on, he looked like a real gem.

Here are his game by game stats:

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...me.php?id=2055

Spurgeon:

http://www.whl.ca/stats/gamebygame.p...d=223&id=22733

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My curiosity got the best of me....

2003-2004 Rookie Seasons

Raffi Torres
First Half: 42 GP, 13-9-22, +10 (0.524)
Second Half: 34 GP, 7-4-11, +1 (0.324)

Jarret Stoll
First Half: 29 GP, 5-3-8, +5 (0.276)
Second Half: 35 GP, 4-8-12, +3 (0.343)

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Troy Bodie may surprise a few people. Any reason he's never brought up?

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Man, Salmelainen completely dropped off the table. What happened there? I mean that's a pretty significant change ... is there an injury or something?
I think it was Lowe that recently said that he wondered if Salmo was wearing down as the season went on.

Something like that anyway.

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