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06-23-2010, 03:27 PM
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Overpayment, If they are patient with him Pacioretty should develop into a good 2 way 2nd liner with size.
I agree it's overpayment but Byfuglien is proven and ready. Sometimes you have to overpay to get better.

Boston gave up the 15th overall Denis Wideman and 2nd in 2012 (i think)

to get Campbell and Horton.

That was also overpayment but Boston is a better team as a result.

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06-23-2010, 03:36 PM
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I agree it's overpayment but Byfuglien is proven and ready. Sometimes you have to overpay to get better.

Boston gave up the 15th overall Denis Wideman and 2nd in 2012 (i think)

to get Campbell and Horton.

That was also overpayment but Boston is a better team as a result.
You won't get better by always trading good cheap/young talent for players with sizeable contracts. The formula to win in the cap world is to have 4-5 guys making small money(under 2 mil) making big contributions. If you trade your 1st and a good prospect for a guy that's sometimes a top 6 guy sometimes a 3rd liner, to me that's too risky.

Guys like LeBlanc Kristo Eller Trotter Pacioretty Subban Price have the potential in the next 4-5 years to give us seasons where their production is 3 or 4 times what their current salary is.

That's how Pittsburgh(Staal Talbot Letang), Chicago(Niemi Keith Brouwer Hjalmarsson), Phillie(Giroux Asham Coburn Leighton) and even the Habs last year(Subban Halak Gorges) went far in the playoffs.

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06-23-2010, 04:15 PM
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hes been pretty bang on lately so....
Eklund

byfuglian, eager and sopel to alanta for picks and prospects (e5)

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06-23-2010, 04:19 PM
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hes been pretty bang on lately so....
Eklund

byfuglian, eager and sopel to alanta for picks and prospects (e5)
Plekanec to Calgary(E4) or Semin for Brodeur trade talk?
for me it's Bob Mckenzie or nothing

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06-23-2010, 04:21 PM
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Plekanec to Calgary(E4) or Semin for Brodeur trade talk?
for me it's Bob Mckenzie or nothing
he was the 1st one to call the cap rising
and he also called the horton deal

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06-23-2010, 04:22 PM
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Plekanec to Calgary(E4) or Semin for Brodeur trade talk?
for me it's Bob Mckenzie or nothing
Agreed but if there is some truth, Atlanta might have given them their 1st rounder (8th overall) and a prospect, not sure who. Seems like a lot

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06-23-2010, 04:26 PM
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he was the 1st one to call the cap rising
and he also called the horton deal
cap rising you don't need special source to know it 2 hours before it's announce and I didn't know about the Horton deal but RDS talked about the rumour 4 days before the trade, it's was on a Boston sport website

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he was the 1st one to call the cap rising
and he also called the horton deal
Marinaro on Attaque 5 said the cap would go up 3M or so.

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If this is true, than i'm pissed as hell.

http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie

Well it is... I'm Freaking PISSED!

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hes been pretty bang on lately so....
Eklund

byfuglian, eager and sopel to alanta for picks and prospects (e5)
now reported by Kevin Allen also

http://twitter.com/kausatoday

and now TSN

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06-23-2010, 04:42 PM
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hes been pretty bang on lately so....
Eklund

byfuglian, eager and sopel to alanta for picks and prospects (e5)
I guess he was right

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06-23-2010, 04:43 PM
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Dustin Byfuglien
Brent Sopel
Ben Eager
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First pick NJD '10
2nd round pick
Marty Reasoner
Jeremy Morin.

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06-23-2010, 05:42 PM
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Chicago got ***** by the salary cap on this trade.

But well, if they know how to draft, and they proved they can draft, a NJ 1st round can always be a good option, even if its almost a 2nd rounder. I'm happy they got rid of Eager tho, he's just bad.

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**** You Gauthier!

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06-23-2010, 06:18 PM
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Seconded.

Atlanta sends the 24th overall pick at the 2010 Draft,
the 54th pick, Marty Reasoner and Jeremy Morin
for Buff, Sopel and Eager !!!

The Habs should have made a better offer.
I mean Marty Reasoner ?
In his last 5 seasons he was a plus player once and reached 30+ points twice. At 33, he ain't getting any younger.

Chicago sheds 6,3m in salary (assuming Eager as RFA re-signs for same $$$ as last year) and takes back a little over 2 million.

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06-23-2010, 06:20 PM
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How many times has Buff cracked 20 goals? 40 points? Same answer to both.

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06-23-2010, 06:22 PM
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How many times has Buff cracked 20 goals? 40 points? Same answer to both.
How many times has Reasoner been a playoff beast ?
How many cups has he won ?
How many games has he dominated physically ?
How many times has he demolished elite goalies like Luongo ?

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06-23-2010, 06:27 PM
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How many times has Reasoner been a playoff beast ?
How many cups has he won ?
How many games has he dominated physically ?
How many times has he demolished elite goalies like Luongo ?
Reasoner is just one part of the deal...

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06-23-2010, 06:33 PM
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Reasoner is just one part of the deal...
Reasoner is a salary dump if you guys have not figured it out. He had a bad year in Atlanta and part of the deal was for Chicago to take him off the books. They can buy him out or maybe send him to the minors.

Reasoner and 2nd= Sopel Aliu and Eager (Sopel's 2.33 and Reasoner's 1.2 mil were dumps)

So Byfuglien cost the #24 pick in the draft plus Morin(Atlanta's #2 prospect, #49 overall in the NHL according to THN). For a guy that's never cracked 20 goals and makes 3 mil...Thanks PG.

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06-23-2010, 07:25 PM
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Okay so now Hartnell was never directly mentioned as being on the block, and on top of that you're assuming our 27th overall pick alone will be able to get this done? Pure speculation.

Care to backpedal anymore?
Care to show some maturity on a message board? The point is a 1st round pick should be able to get Hartnell. It's either him or Gagne out of Philly. I don't give a ***** about winning an argument against you on HFBoards. Some of us actually have lives.

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06-23-2010, 07:28 PM
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Seconded.

Atlanta sends the 24th overall pick at the 2010 Draft,
the 54th pick, Marty Reasoner and Jeremy Morin
for Buff, Sopel and Eager !!!

The Habs should have made a better offer.
I mean Marty Reasoner ?
In his last 5 seasons he was a plus player once and reached 30+ points twice. At 33, he ain't getting any younger.

Chicago sheds 6,3m in salary (assuming Eager as RFA re-signs for same $$$ as last year) and takes back a little over 2 million.
Care to explain how we'd fit 6.3m of salary on our team?

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06-23-2010, 07:32 PM
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Care to explain how we'd fit 6.3m of salary on our team?
That's never an excuse. Hammer and Spacek can easily be dumped and suddenly we have enough space.

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06-23-2010, 08:26 PM
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That's never an excuse. Hammer and Spacek can easily be dumped and suddenly we have enough space.
May I ask why you think it's so easy to trade these two players given their age and cap hit? And I'd like to confirm that you feel it's so easy that it could be done not only just before the season starts (which I'm saying is next to impossible), but within the last week to open up enough space for Sopel, Byfuglien, etc.?

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Care to explain how we'd fit 6.3m of salary on our team?
Sorry if I was unclear.
I meant we should have made a deal for Buff and offered more.

We have no need or cap space for Sopel.

If they sent Eager too he might be usefull as 4th line grit and he makes 1m.

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That's never an excuse. Hammer and Spacek can easily be dumped and suddenly we have enough space.
No they can't.

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