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06-24-2010, 01:04 PM
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Good contracts imo, Marleau IS the Sharks.

Now they must get rid of Thornton.

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Funny, My firm was partner with one in the valley for a few years...I was there many times a year until last year and I read the exact opposite.....Thornton is the man in SJ......I like Pavelski....but dont confuse him with being the leader of the team....yet, anyway....
Pavelski is a young player who just came into his own and put the Sharks on his back in the playoffs. The "big guys" regularly do not show up when it counts. And it's a lack of effort.

Thornton shows up every now and then, like against Detroit this year and for one game against Anaheim last year, and in game 7 against Calgary two years ago. But he's not a leader and not a guy you will win a Cup with unless he has a LOT of support and warriors by his side. For a guy with his size and skill to need a Brendan Morrow speaks volumes.

There are diehard Thornton defenders, though even they are dwindling.

Looks like Wilson is sticking with his heartless core though. They will never win anything.

That goes double for Marleau.

All three, Heatley included (and Plekanec included as well), are regular season players, nothing more.

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06-24-2010, 02:16 PM
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Pavelski is a young player who just came into his own and put the Sharks on his back in the playoffs. The "big guys" regularly do not show up when it counts. And it's a lack of effort.

Thornton shows up every now and then, like against Detroit this year and for one game against Anaheim last year, and in game 7 against Calgary two years ago. But he's not a leader and not a guy you will win a Cup with unless he has a LOT of support and warriors by his side. For a guy with his size and skill to need a Brendan Morrow speaks volumes.

There are diehard Thornton defenders, though even they are dwindling.

Looks like Wilson is sticking with his heartless core though. They will never win anything.

That goes double for Marleau.

All three, Heatley included (and Plekanec included as well), are regular season players, nothing more.
I do not think there is anything wrong with the core...what was always missing in SJ was a support cast. They now seem to have enhanced the core (Pavelski, Setogushi, etc) and added a decent support cast (Clowe, Maholtra, Couture coming up, Ortmeyer, etc...). Their D is solid and if they can find a prime time goalie to replace Nabokov (never cared much for this guy), they will continue their progression they showed this year....

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06-24-2010, 03:41 PM
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exactly!

so i am happy to have pleks at 5mil.
PLEKS SHOULD OF GOT PAVELSKI MONEY ...NOT A DIME MORE

I WILL TAKE JOE ANYDAY OVER PLEKS

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06-24-2010, 03:50 PM
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PLEKS SHOULD OF GOT PAVELSKI MONEY ...NOT A DIME MORE

I WILL TAKE JOE ANYDAY OVER PLEKS
Pavelski was a RFA, Pleks UFA status in this weak market is worth at least 1M, imo.

Kinda sad Taylor Pyatt signed with PHX for 1M/year, would have been a good size player for the Habs.

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whats funny is that Gomez is still making more than Marleau
STILL talking about the Gomez salary?

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PLEKS SHOULD OF GOT PAVELSKI MONEY ...NOT A DIME MORE

I WILL TAKE JOE ANYDAY OVER PLEKS
Another one missing the point......

Pavelski signed at 4M as an RFA......Plek as an RFA costed 2.75...see the difference?....what will pavelski cost you once he is an RFA?....if you are going to whine, at least, whine while comparing apples to apples!

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Pavelski is a young player who just came into his own and put the Sharks on his back in the playoffs. The "big guys" regularly do not show up when it counts. And it's a lack of effort.

Thornton shows up every now and then, like against Detroit this year and for one game against Anaheim last year, and in game 7 against Calgary two years ago. But he's not a leader and not a guy you will win a Cup with unless he has a LOT of support and warriors by his side. For a guy with his size and skill to need a Brendan Morrow speaks volumes.

There are diehard Thornton defenders, though even they are dwindling.

Looks like Wilson is sticking with his heartless core though. They will never win anything.

That goes double for Marleau.

All three, Heatley included (and Plekanec included as well), are regular season players, nothing more.
wilson? i think you mean todd McClellan

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Are you so young that you were not watching hockey in those days?.....that is the only reason I can see for this comment that has no bearing with reality.....
a second line centre, who is ok defensively, and regresses significantly production-wise during the playoffs (as gomez did in both of those cup runs, from .85ppg to .43ppg in 2000, from .86ppg to .56ppg in '01 and from .68ppg to .5ppg in '03) is hardly a "go-to-guy".


in neither of the cup runs, nor the finals loss, that gomez played with the Devils, was he one of the key figures in the teams success.

don't agree?

in 2000, when they won the cup, Gomez was relegated to 14minutes/game... only ahead of brylin and mckay (and 2 other players who were scratched most games)...


Since when do key players play so little during the playoffs??? Is it possible that your amazing memory was a bit off in 2000?

what about 2001? ok, a little bit better, 16 minutes/game, good for 4th among fwds... then again they lost that year...

so what was the solution?

2003, another cup win... Gomez? 13:44 minutes/game... a little bit more than such key figures as pascal rehaume, turner stevenson and jim mckenzie (the only fwds he played more than).


he played a role, for sure, but to say he was a go-to-guy simply isn't accurate. he was a complimentary player, a very good one, and one that provide decent scoring considering that the coach preferred not to give him too many minutes, but a complimentary player nonetheless.

that's how i remember thinking of him back then, and that's how the stats play it out as well.

guess your version of reality is a little "different". or maybe you are just getting a little old, and your memory isn't what it used to be?

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he was 2nd and 3rd in points in 99-2000 and '02-'03 respectively.
yes, in the regular season... but in the playoffs, when it counts:

in 99-00 he was tied for 5th in playoff scoring (with 2 other players), a whopping 10 pts in 24 games...

in 02-03 he was tied for 6th (with 1 other player), with an outstanding 12pts in 24 games.

gomez was a part of each cup team, but not a key figure in either cup run... as his minutes/game clearly indicate.... or maybe it was just strategy... keep his minutes down so as to give the other team a better chance and make it more competitive

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06-24-2010, 06:17 PM
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Marleau is definitely a better player than Pleks, but not $2 M better...

and for those lol'ing at Marleau's contract, id rather have him at 7M than Gomez at the same salary.
I would argue that when you consider that Marleau played with Thornton and Heatley, plus Plekanec being better defensively and on PK, that Marleau is not really a better player.

San Jose has over 21 mil tied up on one freaking line!

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PLEKS SHOULD OF GOT PAVELSKI MONEY ...NOT A DIME MORE

I WILL TAKE JOE ANYDAY OVER PLEKS
He was a RFA...not the same at all

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People need to remember that Marleau plays with Thornton and Joe T. just inflates your stats. Put Camallerri with Thorton he'll score 50 and earn 8m.
Yeah, he sure made former 50 goal scorer Dany Heatley look great with his 39 goals.

Wait, what?

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wilson? i think you mean todd McClellan
Doug Wilson is the GM of the Sharks.

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The Sharks don't have the work ethic for a Cup and have serious holes on D. Their skill players have no heart. Year after year, same story. At least they might finally improve their goaltending, but they've locked into the wrong core... again.

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Man... so many top UFA forwards to choose from... Glad we got Pleky signed.

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Yeah, he sure made former 50 goal scorer Dany Heatley look great with his 39 goals.

Wait, what?
Remember a certain guy.... I think his name was Cheechoo?

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Yeah, he sure made former 50 goal scorer Dany Heatley look great with his 39 goals.

Wait, what?
Most people don't even understand our own problems, now they want to take on the problem children from other teams... ugh...

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Remember a certain guy.... I think his name was Cheechoo?
Yeah, what about him?

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Yeah, what about him?
What's he done since he hasn't been paired with Big Joe? Who knows if this isn't just more of the same...

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What's he done since he hasn't been paired with Big Joe? Who knows if this isn't just more of the same...
Marleau already had 400 career points before Thornton was acquired in 2005-2006 and only started playing on the same wing a few seasons later.

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See why you fans are no smarter (hockey-wise) than any NHL GM, PG for instance?

Some here were saying we should get Marleau for 6M$. 6M$ LOL! They also said we should have let Plek go and get Marleau. LOL! We would have ended up with NOTHING.


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a second line centre, who is ok defensively, and regresses significantly production-wise during the playoffs (as gomez did in both of those cup runs, from .85ppg to .43ppg in 2000, from .86ppg to .56ppg in '01 and from .68ppg to .5ppg in '03) is hardly a "go-to-guy".


in neither of the cup runs, nor the finals loss, that gomez played with the Devils, was he one of the key figures in the teams success.

don't agree?

in 2000, when they won the cup, Gomez was relegated to 14minutes/game... only ahead of brylin and mckay (and 2 other players who were scratched most games)...


Since when do key players play so little during the playoffs??? Is it possible that your amazing memory was a bit off in 2000?

what about 2001? ok, a little bit better, 16 minutes/game, good for 4th among fwds... then again they lost that year...

so what was the solution?

2003, another cup win... Gomez? 13:44 minutes/game... a little bit more than such key figures as pascal rehaume, turner stevenson and jim mckenzie (the only fwds he played more than).


he played a role, for sure, but to say he was a go-to-guy simply isn't accurate. he was a complimentary player, a very good one, and one that provide decent scoring considering that the coach preferred not to give him too many minutes, but a complimentary player nonetheless.

that's how i remember thinking of him back then, and that's how the stats play it out as well.

guess your version of reality is a little "different". or maybe you are just getting a little old, and your memory isn't what it used to be?


yes, in the regular season... but in the playoffs, when it counts:

in 99-00 he was tied for 5th in playoff scoring (with 2 other players), a whopping 10 pts in 24 games...

in 02-03 he was tied for 6th (with 1 other player), with an outstanding 12pts in 24 games.

gomez was a part of each cup team, but not a key figure in either cup run... as his minutes/game clearly indicate.... or maybe it was just strategy... keep his minutes down so as to give the other team a better chance and make it more competitive
No, not old to the point where memory is failing......but the point the poster made was that Gomez was only around for the ride....if you actually watched those games, then you know he was a central figure in the D first system in New Jersey....

Based on your argument, you probably figure that he was just along for the ride this year as well......

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No, not old to the point where memory is failing......but the point the poster made was that Gomez was only around for the ride....if you actually watched those games, then you know he was a central figure in the D first system in New Jersey....

Based on your argument, you probably figure that he was just along for the ride this year as well......
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a "central figure" playing less than 15 min/game?

i guess you have a different way of seeing things.

of course he played the "D first system", everyone on the devils did, and a bunch of forwards did it much better, in the coaches eyes, and thus were used more frequently.


as for this year, Gomez was good for us, but not great... it's not a knock on him directly, he played up to his ability, but when you are the highest paid player on the team, especially in a cap system, the expectation would be that you raise your level of play when it matters the most, and perform "great".

Gomez played well, by what we can expect from him, but he certainly didn't raise his game to a higher level, as we needed him to.
2 goals, 14pts in 19 playoff games just doesn't cut it from a guy that is supposed to be a key "go-to-guy" responsible for leading the team.

Had Gomez stepped up and raised his game in the playoffs, the way several other players did (cammalleri/halak are the obvious ones, but Gorges, Gill, Subban, Moore, Lapierre all played their best hockey of the season in the playoffs), we just may have gotten past philly and been able to ride the wave right into the finals.

While he may not have been just "along for the ride" to the same extent that he was in the Devils cup runs, I think it's a huge stretch to say that he was a key reason the habs went as far as they did. His contributions hardly were the focal point of the teams success...

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Meaning it would've taken at least 8 mil to get Marleau here. I knew fans were being delusional thinking we could land him for 7 mil.

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Meaning it would've taken at least 8 mil to get Marleau here. I knew fans were being delusional thinking we could land him for 7 mil.
It seems to be well known, that the Habs do have to overpay big time because of the Quebec taxes....that sometimes gets lost on this board...

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It seems to be well known, that the Habs do have to overpay big time because of the Quebec taxes....that sometimes gets lost on this board...
The Quebec Minister of Finance is always smiling when the Habs are giving these huge contracts !

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