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06-24-2010, 06:32 PM
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Not with Terry Murray behind the bench.
Exactly..............

call me crazy but Kovy will score around 30 goals here in L.A.

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06-24-2010, 06:40 PM
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Exactly..............

call me crazy but Kovy will score around 30 goals here in L.A.
The Kings have some of the most negative fans I have ever seen in my life...never happy about anything

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06-24-2010, 06:43 PM
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Exactly..............

call me crazy but Kovy will score around 30 goals here in L.A.
Yep, just like how he limited Kopitar to scoring only 34 goals and 81 points.

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06-24-2010, 06:44 PM
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Yep, just like how he limited Kopitar to scoring only 34 goals and 81 points.
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06-24-2010, 06:45 PM
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Exactly..............

call me crazy but Kovy will score around 30 goals here in L.A.
Don't worry about it..yet

Pavel Bure - Florida Panthers - Head Coach Terry Murray
99/00 74GP 58g 36a 94pts
00/01 82GP 59g 33a 92pts

and of course the "Legion of Doom" in Philly

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06-24-2010, 06:45 PM
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Since the lockout the teams that have won the cup are:
Canes
Ducks
Wings
Pens
Hawks

The 5 years prior went like this:
Devlis
Lanch
Wings
Devils
TBL

Since the lockout you could argue that the Wings are always a contender and have some ground on which to base your position but you wouldn't be able to call them a dynasty. Prior to the lockout teams that won the cup seemed to have a better chance at winning the cup again within a relatively shorter period of time than they do now.

It will take time for the pattern to fully emerge and establish itself but as of today I think it is fair to say that one is slowly developing where in teams that draft well and then add one or two key ufa's have a couple of years to win the cup before they have to begin a sort of rebuilding process.

Maybe retooling is a better term and sure, all teams have always retooled somewhat every year but look at the Pens, they won the cup and since then have lost allot of the players that got them there and they haven't been back yet (too soon to tell if they will or won't need more work before they get back again if at all).

Look at the Ducks, they were fully loaded after winning the cup or at least stocked full enough to where you would think that they would be contenders for awhile and here they are rebuilding again without making it back to the finals.

The same can be argued for the canes who, when they won the cup looked to be pretty well loaded with young talent to be able to get back there again but they haven't.

I am not saying that the finals are out of the question for any of these teams and like I said, it is still too soon to tell if this is truly a pattern and not some anomaly but as of now, it looks like there is a small window of opportunity to go from acquiring allot of young talent, building a contending team and then making a run at the cup before you end up losing key players due to cap restrictions.

I love our depth on D and think that we look great for today and down the road in that department and also with our goaltending but if you look at Dustin, Kopi and the soon to be a Hab Frolov it makes you wonder if we have too much more time with them as part of our forward core group to win a cup.

Add Kovy into the mix and we have a legitimate elite level speed sniper and I am all for it but since we have done the right thing by building from the goalie out, are we still rushing things by trying to win the cup with this group or should we keep trying to add more elite talent up front through the draft and then hope that we are ready to make a run when they develop while having our D and goalies be our veteran core?

I say that we can possibly do it all but it will depend on DL being able to continue to be a wizard at the draft while filling holes up front with ufa's for the next few years.

Just thought I would add to the short window of opportunity debate.

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06-24-2010, 06:48 PM
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Since the lockout the teams that have won the cup are:
Canes
Ducks
Wings
Pens
Hawks

The 5 years prior went like this:
Devlis
Lanch
Wings
Devils
TBL

Who is Lanch?

EDIT: Forget it, I got it finally...ha ha

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06-24-2010, 06:49 PM
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Who is Lanch?
The Av's.

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06-24-2010, 06:49 PM
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Exactly..............

call me crazy but Kovy will score around 30 goals here in L.A.
Calling you crazy would be an insult to the crazies.

Like I keep telling you, you need to stop with the TM hatin.

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06-24-2010, 06:59 PM
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I don't buy all that luck stuff, the same goes for every other team in the playoffs too. So basically every single team that has won the Cup did so because of luck? What if Gretzky & Messier got hurt in 1981? What if Crosby got hurt last year? It's all hindsight, but none of that happened and they won the Cup.

And are you saying that if we sign Kovalchuk this year we only have next year as our chance to win? How do you figure? I think it will give us a chance for years to come. If we have Kovy, Kopitar, Doughty, Johnson, Bernier, Simmonds, Brown, Schenn signed for the next 5 or 6 years, how do we only have one chance?
Good teams make their own luck, but it isnt ONLY luck that wins championships. you have to be VERY GOOD TOO.

Stop making so much sense so I dont have to agree with you!

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I wasn't aware that this team would only have a one-year window to win the Cup with Kovalchuk signed.

Kovalchuk isn't available next season: he is available now. They don't have to win the Cup next season as this isn't a Hossa 1-year special we are talking about. I know Kovalchuk is 35 years old and on the downside of his career, but he should still be useful in at least a checking role in 2011-12

Everything DL has done with the Cap and building through youth/draft has led to this point, that being the time when you are ready to make that big splash.

It's baffling to me how anyone can think this team isn't ready to make that splash. I truly feel that those who are opposed to this always want to have $10M in cap space but never use it. They feel the bargain is more important than what you are actually paying for, like a person who claims to be a videophile but buys a cheap tv as far as flatscreens go. Like, that new Samsung LED is just awesome but, even though I have the money, I'm going to buy this Insignia instead while claiming I want the best tv (team) possible.

Marleau is gone. What are we looking at now? Trades for short-term answers that would, at best, be a replacement for Frolov and a lateral move? Versteeg? That's the big attraction? No effing way.
At this point, its Kovalchuk or bust if you ask me. With Marleau signed, there is no where else to turn because Chicago is not parting (smartly) with Sharp, and maybe not even Versteeg, and the cost to pry Carter (although he is not high on MY list) is too steep.

If nothing big happens AND we lose Frolov, (and there is basically no chance of him coming back) **** gonna hit the fan. But I honestly believe that a major move is in the works or already a done deal simply because Lieweekly has to feel already appeased to extend the whole management team as he has. I am getting excited, and also more pissed than ever that I wont be at the draft.

DO IT DEANO

One or more of you ***** better text me details tomorrow.

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If Lombardi does not sign Kovalchuk, will we all agree that his decision to protect cap space for upcoming years was the right one to make? Or will we ***** and moan about Lombardi not doing what it takes to win?
Are you really asking this question. How long have you been on this board?

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People will ***** and moan regardless of what happens. I think Ben Franklin once said "there are no guarantees in life except death and Kings fans *****ing". Yeah I'm pretty sure that is how the saying goes.
But that *****ing will be with good cause if we don't do something major to improve our team.

IT TRULY IS KOVALCHUK OR BUST NOW!


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06-24-2010, 07:08 PM
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If Lombardi does not sign Kovalchuk, will we all agree that his decision to protect cap space for upcoming years was the right one to make? Or will we ***** and moan about Lombardi not doing what it takes to win?
If he signs for less than $8.5 million somewhere else, I will ***** and moan.

If he signs for over $9 million, he can enjoy playing for a crappy team. No *****ing or moaning.

If Kovalchuk says that he wanted to play in LA and Dean wouldn't match the offer and it was under $8.5 million, I will ***** and moan for a very long time.

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06-24-2010, 07:16 PM
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I know I for one will be relieved once Kovalchuk is off the market, whether he signed with the Kings or not. Just a few days more and the rampant speculation can finally stop

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06-24-2010, 07:18 PM
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From LeBrun's twitter:

I believe Buffalo and LA to be among the many teams with some interest in Kaberle...

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06-24-2010, 07:19 PM
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"Real_ESPNLeBrun

I believe Buffalo and LA to be among the many teams with some interest in Kaberle... "

Interesting.. He is a good fit and would elevate our transition game tremendously but isn't really interested in playing in the West as far as I know. He'd be a good addition for a year though.

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06-24-2010, 07:21 PM
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I believe Buffalo and LA to be among the many teams with some interest in Kaberle...
He'd be a good fit but not at Burke's asking price and especially if he isn't willing to sign long term.

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06-24-2010, 07:21 PM
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I was thinking the other day that it wouldn't shock me if the Kings were in on getting Kaberle.

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06-24-2010, 07:22 PM
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I was thinking the other day that it wouldn't shock me if the Kings were in on getting Kaberle.
Would you give up the 1st (19th overall) and maybe Moller?


Edit: Btw, I wouldn't mind grabbing Tinordi if he's available. 6'6 and hockey in his veins...

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06-24-2010, 07:24 PM
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Would you give up the 1st (19th overall) and maybe Moller?


Edit: Btw, I wouldn't mind grabbing Tinordi if he's available. 6'6 and hockey in his veins...
No. But I'd do Moller and a 2nd or two if it took that.

Then move down from 19 and pick up a 2nd or two and draft Ross.

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Since he's dealing with Burke, you know he watns Brayden Schenn in the deal...

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Moller and a 2nd for Kaberle. Burke has a hardon for Moller.

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I can't see us going after kaberle when he will cost us so much for a year of his services. He just isn't worth it to me.

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06-24-2010, 07:41 PM
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Since he's dealing with Burke, you know he watns Brayden Schenn in the deal...

Doesn't mean he's going to get Brayden...

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Stoll or Williams + Moller and Drewiske for Kaberle.

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I can't see us going after kaberle when he will cost us so much for a year of his services. He just isn't worth it to me.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=30372

He's put up quite a few points on crappy Leafs team. He's only 32 and can move the puck up ice, can't understand why this move wouldn't make any sense...

Our PP improves, our 5 on 5 scoring improves, he eats minutes and is used to pressure (playing in Toronto).

Haz lo DEAN!!!

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That just blows my mind. How could anyone not want a guy that has had 6 straight 40 goal seasons (including two 50 goal seasons) and has only been outscored by AO since the lockout?
I want him to sign but only if its for the right place and for short term. I don't want the money tied up in a player that is 1-8 in the playoffs.

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