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06-25-2010, 11:39 AM
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If you put crap on the wings you get bounced out of cup contention like Pitt was by Montreal. Pitt is reassessing tying up so much money down the middle as a result. They left themselves exposed since Montreal just focused on their centers. I personally don't want the Flyers making that same mistake. Right now moving Briere would make the most sense even despite his playoff prowess. It just creates a lot more flexibility. Plus you are selling high...however him and Leino do work very well together and chemistry wise you worry about making that move in the short term unless you really think you will have somebody that compliments Leino as well as Briere and even Hartnell.


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06-25-2010, 11:40 AM
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I would take Thomas if we dont lose anyone of value for him.

Boucher + Nodl for Thomas

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06-25-2010, 11:42 AM
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I would take Thomas if we dont lose anyone of value for him.

Boucher + Nodl for Thomas
Would be a terrible idea from a cap perspective... thus why I would want to do Briere for him. If we don't send a contract back, we can't really do Thomas.

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06-25-2010, 11:47 AM
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Would be a terrible idea from a cap perspective... thus why I would want to do Briere for him. If we don't send a contract back, we can't really do Thomas.
Yeah, mine was under the assumption of Hamhuis walking.

I would probably do Hartnell/Briere, Boucher for Thomas and Pick if he is healthy

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06-25-2010, 11:48 AM
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Why, give up a ppg playoff guy for an overpaid 35+ bad contract and keep a guy who has 18pts in 41 playoff games? Seriously people, get your collective heads out of your arse.
I think you should change your user name before talking about how we need to trade Carter.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the 2 biggest Briere supporters/Carter haters have user names of "cartsiephan" which contradicts himself and "brieressalary" which mocks briere and provides the biggest argument of why we want him gone?

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06-25-2010, 11:50 AM
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I think you should change your user name before talking about how we need to trade Carter.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the 2 biggest Briere supporters/Carter haters have user names of "cartsiephan" which contradicts himself and "brieressalary" which mocks briere and provides the biggest argument of why we want him gone?
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06-25-2010, 11:54 AM
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I admire him as a person and he has a great demeanor, but unfortunately is too old and too big a contract. His goaltending style is a little awkward as well and I had enough of that with Cechmanek. That being said I wouldn't be on board with getting him here as i'd rather have a young goaltender we can work with who can grow with this young nucleus.

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06-25-2010, 11:55 AM
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I admire him as a person and he has a great demeanor, but unfortunately is too old and too big a contract. His goaltending style is a little awkward as well and I had enough of that with Cechmanek. That being said I wouldn't be on board with getting him here as i'd rather have a young goaltender we can work with who can grow with this young nucleus.
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I admire him as a person and he has a great demeanor, but unfortunately is too old and too big a contract. His goaltending style is a little awkward as well and I had enough of that with Cechmanek. That being said I wouldn't be on board with getting him here as i'd rather have a young goaltender we can work with who can grow with this young nucleus.
I'm not a big fan of Thomas' style either. That's another reason I would only really want him if we could unload the problem contract of Briere.

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06-25-2010, 12:14 PM
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OT - Teez, I still can't look at your avatar without grinning. The look on the dog's face is priceless.
Ya haha, it's unfortunate that in our case the Underdog didn't do it better
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06-25-2010, 12:19 PM
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I'm not a big fan of Thomas' style either. That's another reason I would only really want him if we could unload the problem contract of Briere.
Doesn't Boston want to unload Thomas for salary relief?

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06-25-2010, 12:26 PM
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Doesn't Boston want to unload Thomas for salary relief?
...I think "salary relief" is the wrong way to think about that. They don't want to spend $5M a year on their backup goalie. They're going to spend that money, and could use some scoring in their lineup.

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06-25-2010, 12:29 PM
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...I think "salary relief" is the wrong way to think about that. They don't want to spend $5M a year on their backup goalie. They're going to spend that money, and could use some scoring in their lineup.
Would you trade Briere for Thomas straight up?

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06-25-2010, 12:31 PM
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Would you trade Briere for Thomas straight up?
Yes, in a heartbeat.

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06-25-2010, 12:33 PM
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Would you trade Briere for Thomas straight up?
Absolutely... in accordance with a physical to make sure he's in decent post-op shape.

Saves us 1.5M in cap space a year, and he expires a couple years ahead of Briere. I'm really very nervous about Briere by the end of his contract. That's not to say that Thomas doesn't make me a bit jumpy, but I think there's massive reward there if he comes here and plays like he did in Boston for a couple years, and there are salary cap benefits.

I'm also very nervous about Briere and injuries... he's had some groin/hernia stuff, and who knows if that's a sign of stuff to come.

That being said, I don't think Briere is going anywhere... so it's kind of moot.

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06-25-2010, 12:38 PM
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Yes, in a heartbeat.
I don't really think it would be a bad deal for them or us. We could use the extra 1.3 million on a veteran like Recchi and at worst we have a bad contract for 1 year in 3 years from now instead of having 3-4 bad years of briere at an even higher hit. For them they get rid of a goalie who will literally be stealing money, at least briere plays and Boston could really use some offense. For us, we can bring up bobo or eriksson next year or the year after and let them get 30 or so games a year for a year or two before taking over if they are good enough.

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06-25-2010, 01:38 PM
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How about

to Phi: Thomas, Sturm, 2011 3rd round pick

to Bos: Briere, Boucher, rights to Carcillo, rights to Hamhuis, 2nd round pick in 2011, 3rd round picks in 2012 & 13

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06-25-2010, 02:16 PM
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How about

to Phi: Thomas, Sturm, 2011 3rd round pick

to Bos: Briere, Boucher, rights to Carcillo, rights to Hamhuis, 2nd round pick in 2011, 3rd round picks in 2012 & 13
What exactly would be the point of swapping 3rd rounders in 2011 when most likely they will be within 5-10 picks of each other anyway? Either way, no thanks to sturm

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06-25-2010, 03:57 PM
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Would you trade Briere for Thomas straight up?
If someone is willing to take Briere's contract, he waives his NMC, and you fill a need in the process you take it and run. Briere was fantastic in the playoffs. He could be fantastic next year too. But the year after that? The year after? His cap hit is still going to be 6.5 in 4-5 years when there's a good chance he's lost a step and his lack of size/inability to play defense make him almost useless. I would be very happy if someone traded for him now when his value is highest it's been since he signed here.

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06-25-2010, 03:58 PM
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How about

to Phi: Thomas, Sturm, 2011 3rd round pick

to Bos: Briere, Boucher, rights to Carcillo, rights to Hamhuis, 2nd round pick in 2011, 3rd round picks in 2012 & 13
Way too many moving parts.

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Way too many moving parts.
Agreed. But I would do Briere for Thomas, and I'd take back another contract if it helped...though the only one they have that they might want to dump is Ference. Though Ference would fill that 5th D hole.

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Who was the last Vezina winner to play in a Flyers uni?

You guys would be crazy strong with a guy like Thomas in nets. He's not top 5 in the league, but on your team he wouldn't have to be. Top 10 would be ample. Look at his s% for the last 4 years. With your scoring it's academic.

We'd take a winger back. We can't possibly take another center.

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Way too many moving parts.
To Kings
Wayne Gretzky
Marty McSorley
Mike Krushelnyski

To Oilers
Martin Gelinas
Jimmy Carson
1989 1st Rounder
1991 1st Rounder
1993 1st Rounder
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Big deals are rarer but I'm just throwing poo at the goal hoping it'll not slide through the five hole short-side.

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To Kings
Wayne Gretzky
Marty McSorley
Mike Krushelnyski

To Oilers
Martin Gelinas
Jimmy Carson
1989 1st Rounder
1991 1st Rounder
1993 1st Rounder
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Big deals are rarer but I'm just throwing poo at the goal hoping it'll not slide through the five hole short-side.
It "Kane" happen.

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Who was the last Vezina winner to play in a Flyers uni?

You guys would be crazy strong with a guy like Thomas in nets. He's not top 5 in the league, but on your team he wouldn't have to be. Top 10 would be ample. Look at his s% for the last 4 years. With your scoring it's academic.

We'd take a winger back. We can't possibly take another center.
Briere has been playing wing for a few years now, if it makes a difference.

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