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06-26-2010, 12:07 AM
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Homer seriously pisses me off. Get a legit starting goalie, a vet 3rd pair Dman, and lets roll. Homer got what he deserved with a "shot in the dark" for a defenseman we really didn't need.
Like really though... who the hell tries to stack the defense up that much in a salary cap world? Why not go simple and get a cheap vet. Its really not that hard Homer.

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If the money and years weren't the problem and this "It was Hamhuis wanted to be a confirmed No. 3 d-man ahead of Braydon Coburn or Matt Carle. He wanted more minutes than he felt he could get playing as a No. 5." was, then I'm glad he's not here. Coburn and Carle are good young dmen, but if Hamhuis really thinks he could not have outplayed them to be the clear cut #3...That's not a guy you win with. He's still a great dman, and would have helped the Flyers had he signed, but come on.

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How hard would it have been to guarantee he would be the #3 guy? 4 years at 16mil is a good deal for him.
It's an odd request even for someone who has established free agency. It can also lead to an unwanted precedent with the player dictating status upfront. That should be the coaches responsibility.

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Wow, that is bizarre. He sounds REALLY sensitive, and Holmgren seems really silly for not just explaining "Yes, you will be on our second pairing with Kimmo Timonen. It will work out great."

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Like really though... who the hell tries to stack the defense up that much in a salary cap world? Why not go simple and get a cheap vet. Its really not that hard Homer.
Seriously, he's making things more complicated than they are.

This team needs three things...

1) A real starting goaltender
2) Solid 3rd pair defender
3) Upgrade at RW

I'd also add a center that can take faceoffs, but I'm tired of expecting that to ever be addressed.

So what does Homer do? Trades for the rights to Dan Hamhuis. He's making things more difficult than they have to be. This isn't exactly rocket science.

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Seriously, he's making things more complicated than they are.

This team needs three things...

1) A real starting goaltender
2) Solid 3rd pair defender
3) Upgrade at RW

I'd also add a center that can take faceoffs, but I'm tired of expecting that to ever be addressed.

So what does Homer do? Trades for the rights to Dan Hamhuis. He's making things more difficult than they have to be. This isn't exactly rocket science.
If he had signed Hamhuis and used Coburn to acquire 2 of those 3 things, it would have been a genius stroke.

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So we got a 3rd and 7th round pick for an unsigned Ryan Parent... Decent?

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If he had signed Hamhuis and used Coburn to acquire 2 of those 3 things, it would have been a genius stroke.
Probablly, but it seemed that Homer was focused on having a super de duper defense with an average goalie.

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Probably don't get that 7th rounder

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So we got a 3rd and 7th round pick for Ryan Parent... Decent?
we lost the 7th when we traded hamhuis' rights

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So we got a 3rd and 7th round pick for Ryan Parent... Decent?
Just a third

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If he had signed Hamhuis and used Coburn to acquire 2 of those 3 things, it would have been a genius stroke.
Yea well, someone obviously forgot to send that memo to Homer.

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So we got a 3rd and 7th round pick for Ryan Parent... Decent?
Only a 3rd. 7th doesnt count, since it was only conditional if Hamhuis went to free agency when we had his rights.

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That doesn't mean this isn't another example of management failure.
I disagree. He's a player they liked, and would have gone after in FA. They checked him off their list early. Now, they can concentrate on other players through trade and FA.

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First, you can't guarantee playing time, it needs to be earned. This leads me to think he didn't want to sign here to begin with...

Also, Homer can't be sure he would be able to get a deal done because Nashville had his rights. He can't talk to Hamhuis about signing while Nashville has his rights.

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we lost the 7th when we traded hamhuis' rights
Ok thanks. Still, that isn't bad? Considering I don't think we were gonna resign him?

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I disagree. He's a player they liked, and would have gone after in FA. They checked him off their list early. Now, they can concentrate on other players through trade and FA.
And unnecessarily lost an asset in the process. That's where the failure is.

BTW, I love that apparently we were trying to talk the Pens into giving us their 1st rd. pick and then settled for a 2011 3rd rd.

Man, talk about panicking.

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It's an odd request even for someone who has established free agency. It can also lead to an unwanted precedent with the player dictating status upfront. That should be the coaches responsibility.
Assuming that's the case, it wouldn't sit well with teammates. I don't see a new player demanding entitlement, especially with a coach who won't be afraid to tell someone what he thinks.

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And unnecessarily lost an asset in the process. That's where the failure is.

BTW, I love that apparently we were trying to talk the Pens into giving us their 1st rd. pick and then settled for a 2011 3rd rd.

Man, talk about panicking.
Sorry, but the first round is over man.

I will assume the other 3 deals from other teams were worse than a 3rd round next year.

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And unnecessarily lost an asset in the process. That's where the failure is.

BTW, I love that apparently we were trying to talk the Pens into giving us their 1st rd. pick and then settled for a 2011 3rd rd.

Man, talk about panicking.
I would be pretty shocked if that was truly under consideration.

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Basically, we turned an always-injured stiff Ryan Parent into a 3rd round pick next year. We also create more salary cap space in the process.

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Your proud of trading the guy to our rival? Hes a very good dman, they shouldn't be helping the Pens... No matter what. Its gonna bite us in the ass if he signs there.
Who said I'm proud? Either way if Pens sign him to 5mil then yeah that wont be to bad for us, and worse case scenario we could have held on to him and got nothing, which possibly leads to the Pens signing him anyways.

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Sorry, but the first round is over man.

I will assume the other 3 deals from other teams were worse than a 3rd round next year.
You failed to understand the point.

And God I hope they were offering less than a 2011 3rd... if we sold him cheap to the Pens that would be a story in itself.

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I would be pretty shocked if that was truly under consideration.
From the Pens perspective? Absolutely... would have been terrible. I just enjoy that apparently that's what we were trying to talk 'em into giving us.

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And unnecessarily lost an asset in the process. That's where the failure is.

BTW, I love that apparently we were trying to talk the Pens into giving us their 1st rd. pick and then settled for a 2011 3rd rd.

Man, talk about panicking.
They didn't unnecessarily lose an asset. They traded Parent for the right to talk to Hamhuis before the start of FA. They talked to him. It didn't work out. They got another asset for those rights. Would you have rather they kept him until FA just to save face?

I don't know about that 1st round pick stuff. Going from a 1st this year to a 3rd next year is too hard to believe. There may have been more to it.

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Assuming that's the case, it wouldn't sit well with teammates. I don't see a new player demanding entitlement, especially with a coach who won't be afraid to tell someone what he thinks.
Exactly my point. Hockey is the ultimate team game. By kowtowing in this instance, that is instructing and even handcuffing your head coach to perform a volatile and irregular stategy.

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