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06-26-2010, 06:36 PM
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AK46 + SK74 + Weber + 3rd round pick

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Savard + 2nd round pick.











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AK46 + SK74 + Weber + 3rd round pick
Horton-Seguin-AKost could be dangerous

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Points is not everything!

Gomez will skate circles around him and can play on the PK
You're completely biased. I can find cheaper penalty killers that will equally get the job done. I don't necessarily need/want a 1st line center killing penalties. I'd rather him concentrate on producing which Savard can do a lot more than Gomez. I'd take the guy racking up points than a guy who can do a triple axle.

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Horton-Seguin-AKost could be dangerous
I was kidding, but yeah it could be...I have no doubt AK would light it up like he can playing alongside those guys.

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You're completely biased. I can find cheaper penalty killers that will equally get the job done. I don't necessarily need/want a 1st line center killing penalties. I'd rather him concentrate on producing which Savard can do a lot more than Gomez. I'd take the guy racking up points than a guy who can do a triple axle.

I'm completely biased?
You're the one who can not look past Gomez's contract.
You can't even say one positive thing about the guy.

Who's the only current Canadiens player that can carry the puck into the offensive zone? We're obviously not a dump and chase team and posesion of the puck is important ... so who does a better job at this?

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06-26-2010, 06:52 PM
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Horton-Seguin-AKost could be dangerous
Or it could the most hippy floating line in NHL history

I'm jk of course

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06-26-2010, 06:56 PM
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I'm completely biased?
You're the one who can not look past Gomez's contract.
You can't even say one positive thing about the guy.

Who's the only current Canadiens player that can carry the puck into the offensive zone? We're obviously not a dump and chase team and posesion of the puck is important ... so who does a better job at this?
you sound more ridiculous with each post

you are blind if you can't see that Savard is the better option financially and on the ice

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06-26-2010, 06:59 PM
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I'm completely biased?
You're the one who can not look past Gomez's contract.
You can't even say one positive thing about the guy.

Who's the only current Canadiens player that can carry the puck into the offensive zone? We're obviously not a dump and chase team and posesion of the puck is important ... so who does a better job at this?
Ok get your thoughts together cuz you're not making any sense.

1) I think I'm the only guy who made instant peace with his cap hit when the trade happened since I knew how desperate we were for a capable center. It doesn't bother me.

2) CAP HIT ASIDE, Savard is STILL the better player.

3) I know Gomez is one of the best puck carriers out there but I'd rather take the guy whose PRODUCING more rather than the guy whose better at gaining zone entry. I mean **** the whole point of the game is to score the most goals.

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you sound more ridiculous with each post

you are blind if you can't see that Savard is the better option financially and on the ice

Another budding capologist.

That's all you can contribute?

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Ok get your thoughts together cuz you're not making any sense.

1) I think I'm the only guy who made instant peace with his cap hit when the trade happened since I knew how desperate we were for a capable center. It doesn't bother me.

2) CAP HIT ASIDE, Savard is STILL the better player.

3) I know Gomez is one of the best puck carriers out there but I'd rather take the guy whose PRODUCING more rather than the guy whose better at gaining zone entry. I mean **** the whole point of the game is to score the most goals.

Why am I not making sense? My arguments are solid.
I'll concede the 10-15 assists Savard *might* beat him by but everything else even (salary), I'd take Gomez for everything else he brings to the table.

better skater
can play the PK/SH
is a good team guy (Savard has had issues with teammates)
Healthier (Savard's serious concussion last year)

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06-26-2010, 07:11 PM
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Another budding capologist.

That's all you can contribute?
uhhh..we are in a cap system...sooo yea!

the fact that no one is agreeing with you should tell you something lol. Good thing you aren't running this team!

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Why am I not making sense? My arguments are solid.
I'll concede the 10-15 assists Savard *might* beat him by but everything else even (salary), I'd take Gomez for everything else he brings to the table.

better skater
can play the PK/SH
is a good team guy (Savard has had issues with teammates)
Healthier (Savard's serious concussion last year)
10 to 15 assists?

We're talking about a player who put up 97 & 96 points 2 seasons in a row with 2 different teams. This is more like a serious 27 points bump off of Gomez's best production ever. If anything Savard is an elite centre hands down compared to Gomez. Not the same ballpark at all.

Edit: ok Gomez did do better, even then.. The 2 different teams is what will always amaze me in the case of Savard, this is not something a lot of players can claim to have done.

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Source says Marc Savard has targeted Toronto/ Ottawa as possible destinations for a potential deal in which he'd drop his no move clause
http://twitter.com/RealKyper/statuses/17123317917

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06-26-2010, 07:22 PM
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Yeah it makes sense to target those 2 first. Closest to home. After July 1st, Habs will probably be included, there's a link about it on the Trade & Free Agents board.

Edit: Pointing out that the NTC he lifted included the Habs in 2011/2012, which would most likely be mirrored after July 1st, unless he completely hates the team now. Everything is possible.


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Why am I not making sense? My arguments are solid.
I'll concede the 10-15 assists Savard *might* beat him by but everything else even (salary), I'd take Gomez for everything else he brings to the table.

better skater:
can play the PK/SH
is a good team guy (Savard has had issues with teammates)
Healthier (Savard's serious concussion last year)
Your arguments are either hearsay, speculation or irrelevant.
Savard is a top tier 1st line center and an elite playmaker. Gomez is simply a notch below.

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06-26-2010, 07:23 PM
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10 to 15 assists?

We're talking about a player who put up 97 & 96 points 2 seasons in a row with 2 different teams. This is more like a serious 27 points bump off of Gomez's best production ever. If anything Savard is an elite centre hands down compared to Gomez. Not the same ballpark at all.

Again, POINTS is not the whole thing here and whether you admit it or not, subconsciously many of you are picking Savard because of Gomez's 7 million $ contract ... if you don't want to believe me, just take a look at this forum's posts for the past 12 months and see how many times Gomez's name comes up and his contract is not mentioned .... the number will be very small.

Face it no matter what the guy does, he will forever be linked to that contract which he obviously can never live up to.

Funny how during the playoff run, where everyone's mind was taken off salary cap, there were actually some Scott Gomez appreciation threads.

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06-26-2010, 07:24 PM
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That's ****ed. Division is getting stronger. We can only hope something's in the oven to bolster our top 6.

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Again, POINTS is not the whole thing here and whether you admit it or not, subconsciously many of you are picking Savard because of Gomez's 7 million $ contract ... if you don't want to believe me, just take a look at this forum's posts for the past 12 months and see how many times Gomez's name comes up and his contract is not mentioned .... the number will be very small.

Face it no matter what the guy does, he will forever be linked to that contract which he obviously can never live up to.

Funny how during the playoff run, where everyone's mind was taken off salary cap, there were actually some Scott Gomez appreciation threads.
For ****'s sake, enough with the damn cap. Savard is better regardless. And no this is not my subconscious typing.

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according to here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/...savard_update/

currently he's open to 2 teams only (changes to 5 on July 1st) and those 2 teams are Toronto and Ottawa so i say screw him....

having said that i doubt Boston limits themselves to 2 teams so they likely will wait until July 1st or later to increase the number of potential teams interested (who knows if either Toronto or Ottawa is even interested).

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That's ****ed. Division is getting stronger. We can only hope something's in the oven to bolster our top 6.

Good!

Thankfully I will never see him in a Canadiens uniform

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Good!

Thankfully I will never see him in a Canadiens uniform
lol. Hopeless....

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For ****'s sake, enough with the damn cap. Savard is better regardless. And no this is not my subconscious typing.

Never was

Never will be.

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Never was

Never will be.
Gomez couldn't hold Savard's jock.

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Gomez couldn't hold Savard's jock.
lol

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Again, POINTS is not the whole thing here and whether you admit it or not, subconsciously many of you are picking Savard because of Gomez's 7 million $ contract ... if you don't want to believe me, just take a look at this forum's posts for the past 12 months and see how many times Gomez's name comes up and his contract is not mentioned .... the number will be very small.

Face it no matter what the guy does, he will forever be linked to that contract which he obviously can never live up to.

Funny how during the playoff run, where everyone's mind was taken off salary cap, there were actually some Scott Gomez appreciation threads.
Listen it does tell part of the story because he switched team and line mates and was still able to produce at the same rhythm. How many players in the history of hockey can claim the same accomplishment. ( 2 seasons of near 100 pts with 2 different teams in a row ) If you like doing lists go ahead. It's a remarkable accomplishment.

One of the reasons I like Plekanec, because his philosophy is he should always be able to play with anybody. Gomez can't do this as well as these 2 and Savard has a huge notch in offensive vision over Plekanec.

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