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06-28-2010, 11:42 AM
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I love that idea
It's hard not to love, when you can't draft top elite talent every year, you just make a well oiled machine.




Seems as if Torts also wants Arty to be closer to his teammates? Perhaps he understands that with Lisin gone, Arty probably doesn't feel as close to the team, or simply feels less comfortable.

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06-28-2010, 11:44 AM
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Well, I think Tortorella likes working with the young players, as he feels he can get more out of them and help them develop into better players. That's my feeling after some of the stuff I've read over the year

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Looks like the press spoke to Torts recently, asked him a bunch of questions, all the right answers from Tortorella.

I swear I'd still love you if you didn't put Jokinen in the shoot out in the final game, I'll never forgive that John.

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Torts mentions Evgeny Grachev, Derek Stepan, and Dale Weise as 3 forwards who will "get long look" at training camp

Torts also syas he is very interested in watching Ryan McDonagh at Prospects Camp "but he's got to decide if he's coming out (of college)"

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Pashnin to the camp? This is interesting.

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Also interesting:
Anisimov will be back in NY in early July. That's been the plan since before the season ended. Before he got picked to play at the WC he was going to be here till early June, go home for a month, and then come back here to train. His surgery altered the dates slightly, but not much.

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Yup, Gross mentions that too. I assume what Tortorella says there isn't anything new, he's just talking generalities about Anismov.

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06-28-2010, 01:03 PM
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Seems as if Torts also wants Arty to be closer to his teammates? Perhaps he understands that with Lisin gone, Arty probably doesn't feel as close to the team, or simply feels less comfortable.
Good reason to bring back Zherdev for 1 year, $2 million. Honestly, if he wants to come back to the NHL, I don't think he would get more than that from any team.

Zherdev - Anisimov - MZA

Could work....

Also Grachev and Valentenko could possibly make the team.

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06-28-2010, 01:37 PM
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Good reason to bring back Zherdev for 1 year, $2 million. Honestly, if he wants to come back to the NHL, I don't think he would get more than that from any team.

Zherdev - Anisimov - MZA

Could work....

Also Grachev and Valentenko could possibly make the team.
If Zherdev truly wants to make league minimum like I heard than give him a 1 or 2 year deal i have no problem with that. I doubt he'll make good on his chance thouh I hated him as the season rolled on. Especially since we had given up Tyutin for him. Wish we still had Toots...

I'd expect grachev to be a mid call up. Stepan too or he'll take a whole season in AHL and next fall yes I'd expect both to make the team out of camp. I get the feeling they expect McD to sign and have a strong chance to make it too but I give him the same mid-next fall likelihood. Valentenko, Weise, byers all definitely have a great chance...probably should make the team. I'm actually dissappointed if they don't. Our back 6 would be Weise, Boyle, byers, Prust, Drury possibly Shelly, Cally, Avery . Voros of coruse in the mix too...

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Hah, Tortorella apparently still wants the Rangers to get younger.

I have a feeling his idea is to try to mold the team so they grow together as a young group and are competitive for a long time
I'm confused...is that a bad thing?

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I'm confused...is that a bad thing?
Very bad.

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You know, I like McDonagh and want him on the Rangers and he seems like he could be a real good player, but reading some of his quotes...

I don't really like to project stuff like this onto players or go too far into guessing what they're thinking, but the way he talks it almost seems like he's not taking the NHL seriously, or the whole idea of what the NHL is about seriously. And maybe I'm going way, way too far, but it makes me wonder a little about his commitment to hockey.

It's just hard to get a read on him with the little comments we get, and as fans, I'm sure we'd all give up almost anything to be a pro in the NHL, so the idea of someone skipping out when a team is practically begging you to sign with them and play seems weird.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/

I don't know, I guess it's just hard to imagine what goes through someone's head that they'd pass on becoming a professional athlete at this point. I liked college too but by the time I was a senior it was all old hat.

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You know, I like McDonagh and want him on the Rangers and he seems like he could be a real good player, but reading some of his quotes...

I don't really like to project stuff like this onto players or go too far into guessing what they're thinking, but the way he talks it almost seems like he's not taking the NHL seriously, or the whole idea of what the NHL is about seriously. And maybe I'm going way, way too far, but it makes me wonder a little about his commitment to hockey.

It's just hard to get a read on him with the little comments we get, and as fans, I'm sure we'd all give up almost anything to be a pro in the NHL, so the idea of someone skipping out when a team is practically begging you to sign with them and play seems weird.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/

I don't know, I guess it's just hard to imagine what goes through someone's head that they'd pass on becoming a professional athlete at this point. I liked college too but by the time I was a senior it was all old hat.
No, I get that same exact feeling.

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Maybe part of him feels guilty about leaving. I'm sure he has a lot of friends still on the team and if he leaves, they will be in even worse shape next year. But in the end, he's got to do what's best for him.

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he seems to have this annoying sense of entitlement...its like.

Rangers, prove to me that you are worthy of me signing with you.

Yeah, i dont like that either. not. one. bit.

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good point 3 years in college is more than enough especially in a place like madison. by your senior year you're over it. same parties in the same places with the same people. i dont get it. everyone has left him. all the talent is gone. he seems like he just wants to go back so he can be the man. its his team. sounds like a very me first player. not liking this at all. he's certainly not going to win a national championship. its like he's going back just for the C and maybe to pad his stats and try and win a hobey baker award.

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You know, I like McDonagh and want him on the Rangers and he seems like he could be a real good player, but reading some of his quotes...

I don't really like to project stuff like this onto players or go too far into guessing what they're thinking, but the way he talks it almost seems like he's not taking the NHL seriously, or the whole idea of what the NHL is about seriously. And maybe I'm going way, way too far, but it makes me wonder a little about his commitment to hockey.

It's just hard to get a read on him with the little comments we get, and as fans, I'm sure we'd all give up almost anything to be a pro in the NHL, so the idea of someone skipping out when a team is practically begging you to sign with them and play seems weird.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/

I don't know, I guess it's just hard to imagine what goes through someone's head that they'd pass on becoming a professional athlete at this point. I liked college too but by the time I was a senior it was all old hat.
Not really seeing anything to get upset over in the quotes.

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06-28-2010, 03:03 PM
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he seems to have this annoying sense of entitlement...its like.

Rangers, prove to me that you are worthy of me signing with you.

Yeah, i dont like that either. not. one. bit.
I'm not sure it's that, or at least, that's not quite the feeling I'm getting. I get more of a "I want to see if it's worth it to leave Wisconsin" because he's really really attached to the place right now.

If he wants to finish his degree he can do summer classes. Many guys have done that. Maybe it's the real team loyalty thing and he doesn't want to leave his teammates in the lurch, but moving up to the NHL when you're ready and a legitimate NHL talent isn't exactly being selfish or crazy.

Dunno, just kind of feels like he's not wanting to break away from college yet and I can't get a handle on it.

Maybe that's not even right, maybe some of this stuff is cherry picked, maybe he's not emotionally mature enough to handle being in the real world at this point. All really hard to tell

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Not really seeing anything to get upset over in the quotes.
Not really upset, just puzzled, and like I said, having a hard time getting a handle on him. Is he just trying to be noncommittal at the moment so he's not hassled and we're getting slightly biased views of it? I don't know, like I said I could be wildly off and maybe shouldn't have said anything based on small quotes. Just can't quite figure it out yet

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I'm not sure it's that, or at least, that's not quite the feeling I'm getting. I get more of a "I want to see if it's worth it to leave Wisconsin" because he's really really attached to the place right now.

If he wants to finish his degree he can do summer classes. Many guys have done that. Maybe it's the real team loyalty thing and he doesn't want to leave his teammates in the lurch, but moving up to the NHL when you're ready and a legitimate NHL talent isn't exactly being selfish or crazy.

Dunno, just kind of feels like he's not wanting to break away from college yet and I can't get a handle on it.

Maybe that's not even right, maybe some of this stuff is cherry picked, maybe he's not emotionally mature enough to handle being in the real world at this point. All really hard to tell
People are drawing conclusions from what Gross inferred.

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That is possible.

Also possible that he has spent 3 years doing everything possible to have his college team win, and now he has become a huge part of whether they can win or not. Maybe he's almost TOO team oriented.

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You know, I like McDonagh and want him on the Rangers and he seems like he could be a real good player, but reading some of his quotes...

I don't really like to project stuff like this onto players or go too far into guessing what they're thinking, but the way he talks it almost seems like he's not taking the NHL seriously, or the whole idea of what the NHL is about seriously. And maybe I'm going way, way too far, but it makes me wonder a little about his commitment to hockey.

It's just hard to get a read on him with the little comments we get, and as fans, I'm sure we'd all give up almost anything to be a pro in the NHL, so the idea of someone skipping out when a team is practically begging you to sign with them and play seems weird.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/

I don't know, I guess it's just hard to imagine what goes through someone's head that they'd pass on becoming a professional athlete at this point. I liked college too but by the time I was a senior it was all old hat.
Its quite possible that he lacks the confidence in himself to turn pro at this point in time. Maybe he feels safer going back to Wisconsin for another year. I myself, do not feel comfortable with some of the quotes that are currently floating out his mouth.

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i dont think i get the same sense that you guys are getting. I think he just doesn't want to be pressured into signing. I imagine he realizes that yes being a lone captain of Wisconsin is something that can be cherished, but that team lost a lot of great talent that has a slim chance at repeating the kind of success they just had. In a sense, it was his first day at the Rangers training facility and meeting a bunch of the Rangers brass. By the end of the week i feel he will be ready to turn pro. The Rangers basically opened up a spot for him by trading Sanguinetti, eliminating his closest threat to not making the team. The Rangers will sign him, i am confident in saying that. I dont get the sense of entitlement at all, he just wants to make sure he is ready mentally to forego his senior season.

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“It’s a big week, for sure,” McDonagh said of the prospect camp. “Physically, I feel like I’m ready for the next level.

McDonagh admitted that seeing Del Zotto and Gilroy make the team was “enticing” but “I don’t like looking too far ahead.”
He even admits he's physical ready for the next level. It sounds as if he's being cautious.

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