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06-28-2010, 02:04 PM
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06-28-2010, 02:17 PM
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Brooks may be sensationalizing, but the point is still valid. Shelley is here, he's a leader, he does his job and then some, and he'll be cheap. There's no valid reason to not bring him back.
Just curious, do you think Shelley would be worth keeping at 1.5 mil?

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06-28-2010, 02:20 PM
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here is how the call should go
NYR Hello J. shelley please
Shelley Speaking
NYR Jody you did a fine job last season we would like to set up a series of 1 yr deals worth 1 million each

Shelley Where do I sign.
NYR fax is on the way

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06-28-2010, 02:25 PM
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I would like to see Shelley back on the 4th line splitting time with Byers/Prust/Boyle. I can't see shelley making more then a mil

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06-28-2010, 03:37 PM
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Just curious, do you think Shelley would be worth keeping at 1.5 mil?
No. I love Shelley and what he does, but we're very limited in terms of cap space. $1.5MM is an overpayment for Jody and we can't afford to over pay anyone else.

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06-28-2010, 03:58 PM
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Dead weight argument.

You're comparing a veteran player who can beat the piss out of people, to an underachieving prospect who might barely make the team. Mind you, I believe Byers is the better overall hockey player, and I believe Byers and Shelley can both make the team.

Byers won't be an enforcer. He'll be another Nick Kypreos, if that. He may be a slightly better fighter than Nick-the-Punching-Bag, but he is not a true enforcer.

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06-28-2010, 04:04 PM
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No. I love Shelley and what he does, but we're very limited in terms of cap space. $1.5MM is an overpayment for Jody and we can't afford to over pay anyone else.
I agree that $1.5 is too much, but I see no reason why Slats hasn't even tried to offer $1 to him.

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06-28-2010, 05:11 PM
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Byers won't be an enforcer. He'll be another Nick Kypreos, if that. He may be a slightly better fighter than Nick-the-Punching-Bag, but he is not a true enforcer.
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in a 10 fight series Kypreos goes 9-0-1 with Byers. Nick was a guy that fought to earn a job not like byers a guy who fights as a reaction. Byers is a not a fighter at all. He tries but not well at all. We need Shelley but with guys like
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06-28-2010, 05:14 PM
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I don't mind that we haven't given Shelley an offer. I think it would be a bad sign if Sather hasn't even had a 10 minute phone conversation with his agent however. He's got to bear down at get Staal and Girardi locked down. THAT is his current #1 priority IMO. And getting ready for Thursday. I'm sure there is a lot of homework going into July 1st. But then again given Sather's UFA track record...

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06-28-2010, 05:20 PM
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also, realistically the bottom 2 wingers are gonna be 2 of Prust, Shelley, Byers, Weise. Sather might really want to give the kids a chance and signing Shelley is gonna create confusion as if Prust and Shelley are automatically locked in at the get go. God I hope we can at least carry Shelley as a 13th forward but then you don't sign 13th forwards for $1M unless their name is Voros or Rissmilller. oh, wait...

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06-28-2010, 05:52 PM
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Shelley will be an unrestricted free agent on July 1. If the Rangers don't re-sign him, they'll give the Sharks their 2011 sixth-round pick. If Shelley stays with the Rangers, they'll have to give the Sharks their 2011 fifth-round pick.
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Waive Voros, give Shelley $1m for one year....

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Waive Voros, give Shelley $1m for one year....
Amen.

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06-28-2010, 06:06 PM
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Shelley was always praised as a good teamate and he appeared to fit in well in his short stint with Rangers. I'm all for bringing him on a 1 year deal worth around 750-800 K.

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Just curious, do you think Shelley would be worth keeping at 1.5 mil?

No chance. I dont see him getting much of a payrise and he made around 725 K last year (I think).

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06-28-2010, 06:16 PM
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Shelley was barely hanging on to a team last year.

But he did a great job for the Rangers. He is one of the few guys who can actually hit with authority, and he actually has the speed to make the hit. He clearly has some idea on how to play hockey, and he's an AWESOME guy in the locker room. Had we gotten Prust and Shelley earlier, we would have been in the playoffs. Those guys changed the feel of the team.

Bring Shelley back, prefer for less than 1 mill. He became everything that Torts wanted out of Brashear. In a salary cap system, it's important to go as cheap as possible with every single player. Don't blame the Rangers for trying to save every dime.

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06-28-2010, 06:22 PM
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Byers won't be an enforcer. He'll be another Nick Kypreos, if that. He may be a slightly better fighter than Nick-the-Punching-Bag, but he is not a true enforcer.
Exactly. But haven't you heard? Byers does everything Shelley does but BETTER!

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06-28-2010, 07:31 PM
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in a 10 fight series Kypreos goes 9-0-1 with Byers. Nick was a guy that fought to earn a job not like byers a guy who fights as a reaction. Byers is a not a fighter at all.
Now that one I'll disagree with. Byers isn't a great fighter, but he's better than Kypreos.

Now back on topic. I'd like to keep Shelley, but for no more than about $850,000.

As for Byers over Shelley, I've never understood that. Too different players. Byers is more a pest than an enforcer. Now I wouldn't mind seeing them play together, but not necessarily one over the other.

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06-28-2010, 08:30 PM
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in a 10 fight series Kypreos goes 9-0-1 with Byers. Nick was a guy that fought to earn a job not like byers a guy who fights as a reaction. Byers is a not a fighter at all. He tries but not well at all. We need Shelley but with guys like
Avery
Callahan
Byers
Weise we are much tougher then any recent team
I think you need some balance with your toughness. Callahan, Avery, and Byers are all the same mold. Weise is a bit more intimidating, same goes for Prust.

I'm a believer in having a heavyweight like Shelley for certain nights, especially when he can cycle, hit, skate, and be a productive member of a 4th line(not talking points wise either). I'm all for having a bottom 6 that's tough. I think Shelley and Prust should be our wings on the 4th line, Avery and Cally on the 3rd line as wings. Avery and Prust together on the 3rd line wouldn't be awful either, but you'd hope for more offense out of that line.

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06-29-2010, 11:02 AM
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Anyone remember what Orr signed for?

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Anyone remember what Orr signed for?
In TOR? 4 years, $1MM per year.

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06-29-2010, 12:21 PM
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Shelley will be back..wink...wink

Why would Sather sign him today and have to send San Jose a 5th round pick in next years draft?

As of July 1st Shelly is a UFA to all teams including the Rangers! Shelley likes NY & being a Ranger & the Rangers want him back.

Brooks isn't looking at the full picture...the Rangers want Shelley & Shelley wants them too! He will sign a contract after July 1st & the Rangers won't lose a draft pick.

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Sign Shelley for 2 years and stop thinking about making stupid signings like Brashear for another two years.

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In TOR? 4 years, $1MM per year.
So in other words - a year later, after trying the experiment of going with an enforcer, we now need to spend the same money anyway to land an older enforcer to replace the younger one we let walk away.

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So in other words - a year later, after trying the experiment of going with an enforcer, we now need to spend the same money anyway to land an older enforcer to replace the younger one we let walk away.
Yep, and again, not smart management. Orr wanted more years so Sather walked away. Orr had a presence in the locker room, was well liked, and a fighter on the rise (he was good already). The figure wasn't much more, maybe a few hundred thousand, then you're going to save on Shelley.

Not saying this matters much, but sometimes you don't change what's working.

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