Not following this one. You could simply demote all three and carry only Brashear's cap hit @ $1.4M. If you buy them out, you carry a $1.7M hit this year and next.
I don't get this one either. Is Sather trying to free up $1.7 million for the summer when instead he could demote them after training camp and free up $3.4 million instead? He will then have $1.7 million dead cap space this season and next, won't he? What am I missing here?
Or does Brashear's entire $1.4 million count against the cap because of his age when we signed him?
This is like the 3rd time Voros has been waived, and every time he has passed through waivers and not been assigned to Hartford. I'm not sure we're rid of him yet... he always manages to stick around like an unwanted party guest. I know Lundqvist and Avery are BFF with Voros but his on-ice play doesn't warrant him getting another chance.
Meanwhile, it's amazing how much Patty O'Sullivan has dropped off. I'm sure some team will take a chance on him, but that's a lot of money for a floater.
There's a moral here. Don't become friends with ****ty players.
Buying out all 3 would free up about 1.7 million in cap space, I think they all have a year left on their contracts so they will have a 1.7 million cap hit for the next 2 years. That's extra money to resign Staal, Girardi, and gives us more wiggle room to sign a certain Russian...
Clearing salary? Brashear and his $1.4 million cap hit remain on the cap with a buyout. Buying out Rissmiller and Voros will also count against the cap when they could be buried in the AHL and take zero cap hits.
Doesn't this clear them for the summer? That would help. I wasn't thinking buy out.
Or... it's the humane thing to do. If they're bought out, they can go get NHL jobs elsewhere. And since the cap hit is only $300K more than if they demote them, why not? It also saves the organization about a million bucks in real money.
AND... it also actually saves space on the summer cap.
I'm guessing that's the rationale. Hopefully someone does us a favor and picks one of 'em up... (yeah, right)
Not following this one. You could simply demote all three and carry only Brashear's cap hit @ $1.4M. If you buy them out, you carry a $1.7M hit this year and next.
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All three players clear and the Rangers trade them for a large contract with 1 year remaining and the acquiring team buys them out. A team which has the space for Brashears $1.4 million hit. It would be about $400 plus k for 2 years to buy him out. Real money.
imo voros is a servicable 4th liner who gives it his all everytime hes on the ice. I'd like to keep him here as a 13th forward and only use him in games that we need grit in the line-up
AND... it also actually saves space on the summer cap.
BUT, you've got to clear $7.65 Million before the season starts.
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Do yo uthink a Waiver trade could happen here? Brasher or voros to the Oilers for O'sullivan? headache for headache?
You could probably get them to swap (2) of those guys for Patty, but I'd doubt all (3) or EDM is on the hook for a larger cap hit and more actual money owed.
Guys, waiving a player does not remove his cap hit unless another team claims the player. Players cannot be sent down during the offseason. There are no re-entry waivers during the offseason.
Brashear falls under the 35+ rule. If he's playing in Hartford, he will count 1.3 mil against our cap. If he retires or is bought out, he will count 1.4 mil.
Brashear is due to make 1.3 mil in actual salary. Buying him out will reduce that to 867k but it will not affect his cap hit.
Voros and Rissmiller both have 1 mil cap hits. Buying them out would reduce their cap hits to 333k each. We would therefore save 1.333 mil against the cap during the summer. But Rissmiller wasn't going to be on the team anyway, so the actual savings during the season would only be 333K. Voros' replacement will cost more than that and we'd still carry a 667k cap hit for Voros and Rissmiller next year.
Buying them out would only make sense if Sather needs an extra 1.3 mil in extra cap space to not go over the summer cap. I seriously hope that's not the case.
All three players clear and the Rangers trade them for a large contract with 1 year remaining and the acquiring team buys them out. A team which has the space for Brashears $1.4 million hit. It would be about $400 plus k for 2 years to buy him out. Real money.
Good point, RB. IIRC, in order for a team to buyout a player, they have to have been waived by today, correct? So, the idea of trading Brashear (potentially with one or more of the other two) for a larger contract which the Rangers will then bury is still in play. In fact, in order to keep it in play, they had to make this move.
However, they could still simply buy them all out. In particular, if they can't get a willing partner for Brashear and he counts on the cap anyway, well ****, why pay him too?
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BUT, you've got to clear $7.65 Million before the season starts.
Sorry, Melrose, not trying to be dense, but what are you referring to?
Guys, waiving a player does not remove his cap hit unless another team claims the player. Players cannot be sent down during the offseason. There are no re-entry waivers during the offseason.
Brashear falls under the 35+ rule. If he's playing in Hartford, he will count 1.3 mil against our cap. If he retires or is bought out, he will count 1.4 mil.
Brashear is due to make 1.3 mil in actual salary. Buying him out will reduce that to 867k but it will not affect his cap hit.
Voros and Rissmiller both have 1 mil cap hits. Buying them out would reduce their cap hits to 333k each. We would therefore save 1.333 mil against the cap during the summer. But Rissmiller wasn't going to be on the team anyway, so the actual savings during the season would only be 333K. Voros' replacement will cost more than that and we'd still carry a 667k cap hit for Voros and Rissmiller next year.
Buying them out would only make sense if Sather needs an extra 1.3 mil in extra cap space to not go over the summer cap. I seriously hope that's not the case.
My head hurts . So what's the best interest of the Rangers?
