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06-29-2010, 12:40 PM
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How much $/Term for Price

Now that Carey Price is the #1 goaltender it's time to decide how much and how long we sign him for. Montreal have about $9 million left in cap space to sign Price, backup and any ufa they are interested in with the current team structure today. I'm thinking PG is going to sign Price for 3 years @ 3.5 million per. What do you think?

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I think you're way off in terms of money. I could see either a 2 year -5.000.00 or something like 5 year - 13 000 000.

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Same contract as Cam Ward had after his ELC.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=544

3 years/8M

$2,000,000
$2,500,000
$3,500,000

CAP HIT: $2,666,667

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4years / 10millions is cool

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we put all our cards on Price, I'd go for broke and offer him a 6 year deal

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The sad thing is I think you're right. Trading Halak before signing Price imo was a very dumb move in that now Price's agent knows we need him and are going to sign him regardless. So before we could've probably signed him 2 years at 4-5 million. Now it's more likely 3 years at 3+ million. I really hope this works out in our favor and I trust our management, but dealing Halak before inking a deal with Price, to me, is just negligent. You're giving the players agent fuel.

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If Price has a good agent, he'll probably get a very good contract with the team.

He's now the #1 and he's absolutely essential to the team.

I don't except anything below 2.5 million/year even if he hasn't proven yet that he's worth it.

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06-29-2010, 12:51 PM
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Same contract as Cam Ward had after his ELC.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=544

3 years/8M

$2,000,000
$2,500,000
$3,500,000

CAP HIT: $2,666,667
I'd say that's probably the offer I would do too, except the habs don't spread salary like this usually. No front loading either so it Would be: 2.67 every year. ( I could go as far as 2.75 )

Price is 23 so he isn't going to sign 5 or 6 years. That would mean giving up some Free Agency years, which can be bigger money. Also, the org won't sign him for 4, since they'd want to keep an opportunity to have him re-sign another contract before Free Agency.

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I don't think Price has that much say in the matter to be honest. There's a flood of goalies out there who Montreal can still tender an offer to and and offer sheet to Price would get Montreal the same return more or less that the Bruins got for Kessel (even though it was a trade).

I think the main issue PG has isn't price it's term. If he gives Price 2 years than he can get screwed and have to pony up big time if Price lives up to expectation. If he gives him 5-6 years and Price ends up sucking then we'll be stuck paying $2-2.5 M for years to come.

I say that they've already decided that Price is their man, give him a 5 year $13-15M contract and roll the dice.
year 1= $2.25M
year 2= $2.5M
year 3= $2.75
year 4= $3M
Year 5= $3.25M
Total amount $13.75 M Cap Hit of $2.75M (easy to absorb)

With Price's pedigree, you know their will invariably be some GM who would trade for him as a reclomation project for which his $2+M contract will be easier to swallow as the cap gets bigger and bigger.

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The sad thing is I think you're right. Trading Halak before signing Price imo was a very dumb move in that now Price's agent knows we need him and are going to sign him regardless. So before we could've probably signed him 2 years at 4-5 million. Now it's more likely 3 years at 3+ million. I really hope this works out in our favor and I trust our management, but dealing Halak before inking a deal with Price, to me, is just negligent. You're giving the players agent fuel.
I see your point, but had the habs not traded Halak when they did, they may have ended up with far less for him. Who's to say the Blues' wouldn't have taken the deal off the table after 24 hrs? Who's to say the habs would have gotten something better for him later on?

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I'd say that's probably the offer I would do too, except the habs don't spread salary like this usually. No front loading either so it Would be: 2.67 every year. ( I could go as far as 2.75 )

Price is 23 so he isn't going to sign 5 or 6 years that would make him give up some Free Agency years which can be bigger money, also the org won't sign him for 4, since they'd want to keep an opportunity to have him re-sign another contract before Free Agency.
What do you mean ?

Mike Cammalleri:

$5,000,000
$5,000,000
$6,000,000
$7,000,000
$7,000,000

Ryan O'Byrne:

$700,000
$725,000
$1,400,000 (yea... O'Byrne will be paid 1,4 this year)

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What do you mean ?

Mike Cammalleri:

$5,000,000
$5,000,000
$6,000,000
$7,000,000
$7,000,000

Ryan O'Byrne:

$700,000
$725,000
$1,400,000 (yea... O'Byrne will be paid 1,4 this year)
Hmm just noticed the Cammalleri contract, you're right. So they're against front loading, but that not against paying a player more than his cap hit, interesting.

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I see your point, but had the habs not traded Halak when they did, they may have ended up with far less for him. Who's to say the Blues' wouldn't have taken the deal off the table after 24 hrs? Who's to say the habs would have gotten something better for him later on?
I see your point as well. I guess we'll never know but all in all it's a two way street and risks need to be taken sometimes.

In this case they played it safe and sometimes you need to play it safe too.

I think Eller has grown on me a lot since the initial shock as he has with many other fans.

I'm excited as always to see next years team. To be honest I like the cap era, it makes it more fair. It's all about the intelligence of the GM now and not about who has common sense and the biggest budget.

It's fun to see what GM's do now a days to get themselves the perfect team or a cup winner

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Price won't sign a long term deal. It is more ikely he signs a 1 year deal and has a great season to elevate his worth and than sign a longer deal.

2 years/2.7 mil a yr is my guess.

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I'm wondering what approach PG will take. Usually the Habs go 1 year cheap on young players and have not been too willing to lock guys up long term before they are far in RFA or into UFA.

Given that they traded Halak and given Price the keys to the car, I think they should try and get a 3-4 year deal with a 2.5-3 mil cap hit, this could be a big win in 2-3 years when he's making about half what similat goalies make. Obviously the Price camp has to be on board also, if they want huge money to go more than a year then it will be hard.

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Hmm just noticed the Cammalleri contract, you're right. So they're against front loading, but that not against paying a player more than his cap hit, interesting.
Well, I guess it depends if the player's prime is coming or not.


For exemple:

I think a player like Markov should be front loaded.

8-8-7-7-6-5

6.8 cap hit

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Pretty sure Carey looks for a short term deal here hoping for a great season and a fat contract next summer, when the cap goes up again.

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Well, I guess it depends if the player's prime is coming or not.


For exemple:

I think a player like Markov should be front loaded.

8-8-7-7-6-5

6.8 cap hit
I think the org would use this contract pattern a lot more if they weren't against it somehow. We could have signed Hamrlik to a cheaper cap hit with a front loaded contract for example.

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I think the org would use this contract pattern a lot more if they weren't against it somehow. We could have signed Hamrlik to a cheaper cap hit with a front loaded contract for example.
The contract was not long enough IMO. Add 2 years on Hamrlik contract and I think they would have gone this way.

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Now that Carey Price is the #1 goaltender it's time to decide how much and how long we sign him for. Montreal have about $9 million left in cap space to sign Price, backup and any ufa they are interested in with the current team structure today. I'm thinking PG is going to sign Price for 3 years @ 3.5 million per. What do you think?
Cap hit waaaay too high.

Price is going to finish is entry level contract on July 1st. This will be his second contract and doesn't have much to make his case for a salary of 3+ mil Despite getting very good numbers in the first half of his career, ever since his ankle injury he hasn't gone back to the same level yet, so the only thing he has to show to get 3,5 mil per is his 66 first season career games where he showed great stats? His true salary was 850k, the rest was part of a bonus, and his qualifying offer for this year was somewhere around 935k. Habs could probably sign him for between 2 mil per (2 seasons), 2,5 mil per (3 seasons).

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I see your point as well. I guess we'll never know but all in all it's a two way street and risks need to be taken sometimes.

In this case they played it safe and sometimes you need to play it safe too.

I think Eller has grown on me a lot since the initial shock as he has with many other fans.

I'm excited as always to see next years team. To be honest I like the cap era, it makes it more fair. It's all about the intelligence of the GM now and not about who has common sense and the biggest budget.

It's fun to see what GM's do now a days to get themselves the perfect team or a cup winner
Management is paid to make decisions, ideally, the right ones, but no one, no one, bats for 1.000, in any field. You make the decision that appears right at the time and you live with the consequences. And it is indeed fun to see GMs nowadays juggle salary, output, potential, development, agents, media, etc.etc.

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Looking at the tendencies of Habs management it will either be - for the term at least - a 2 year or 4 year deal.

Why?

Because in 2 years we shed Spacek's salary. But I assume this would be re-allocated within the D itself.

So, what happens in 4 years? Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri are all due to sign new agreements.

My guess, 4 years with a cap hit of 2.5m. Front/back load as you please.

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