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06-29-2010, 01:05 PM
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Wouldnt this deter future FA signings from coming to NY?
I think each and every player in the league knows how much a joke the Redden contract is. I think it's almost expected by everyone that the Rangers do demote him. If the Rangers don't, IMO, it shows their lack of commitment to winning.

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Yup...the anger was that Sather should not have been the person completing that trading, as well as overseeing the so-called rebuilding to come. He should have been fired prior to that trade deadline.
He should have been fired when he fired Trottier. He should have been given the ultimatum of make the playoffs or lose your job.

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Wouldnt this deter future FA signings from coming to NY?
No. If it does, that's probably a nice little filter for the fan base. But if anything, it would just have Sather dishing out no movement clauses more frequently... which he seems to have no problem doing.

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06-29-2010, 01:45 PM
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So what is the reason that he's going to maybe be waived at the end of camp and not now??

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Wouldnt this deter future FA signings from coming to NY?
i dont see how it deosn't...at least to a degree

if im a FA i'd absolutely take the 2nd best offer if It meant a more secure future in the NHL

theres a number of reasons why things might not work out with a player on a team, its part of the risk of singing someone, but if im a free agent i wouldn't like knowing that if it doesn't work out for some reason my NHL career is over

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06-29-2010, 01:50 PM
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those quotes are so misleading.

"he's been discussed" of course they are talking about Redden but what did they say? I'm sure the idea came up but we don't know if it was considered or even taken seriously.

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06-29-2010, 01:51 PM
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those quotes are so misleading.

"he's been discussed" of course they are talking about Redden but what did they say? I'm sure the idea came up but we don't know if it was considered or even taken seriously.


Do you think "hes been discussed" really means theyre seriously mulling over putting him on the 4th slot than the 6th, at the end of june?


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06-29-2010, 01:52 PM
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I don't think it would deter UFA's from signing with NY however they may want some security with a no-movement clause.

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06-29-2010, 01:53 PM
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Read between the lines. Theyre discussing what to do with him if McDonagh makes the team and they sign a FA, or if McDonagh and someone else make the team in September. There are only 2 slots available.

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those quotes are so misleading.

"he's been discussed" of course they are talking about Redden but what did they say? I'm sure the idea came up but we don't know if it was considered or even taken seriously.
It definitely has been considered. Tortorella said some players needed to be "weeded out" at the end of the season. He was likely referencing Redden.

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So Arthur Staple is saying the reason Redden hasnt been waived yet is b/c in camp kids will be forced to beat out a veteran? Is that the real reason or their is another reason?

The kids can compete within themselves for a spot on the team. They don't need a veteran to beat out. We could waive him now if we wanted too, imo....of course if theres nothing stopping us.

Someone clarify please, thanks.

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06-29-2010, 02:01 PM
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Read between the lines. Theyre discussing what to do with him if McDonagh makes the team and they sign a FA, or if McDonagh and someone else make the team in September. There are only 2 slots available.
How did you come up with that? If they think Redden should be sent down, they should not have to see who gets signed. You have to have this decision made before July 1st because it tells you what needs you have to fill. If Redden is so bad that he has to be sent down then you need to have multiple replacements available. You can't wait and see because then you are stuck with the smuck for the season.

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didnt Petr Sykora refuse to report to the Wilds AHL and then it voided his contract?

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So Arthur Staple is saying the reason Redden hasnt been waived yet is b/c in camp kids will be forced to beat out a veteran? Is that the real reason or their is another reason?

The kids can compete within themselves for a spot on the team. They don't need a veteran to beat out. We could waive him now if we wanted too, imo....of course if theres nothing stopping us.

Someone clarify please, thanks.
Damn this has come up like 10 times today but there's no point in waiving him right now. He wouldn't come off the cap until the Rangers are able to send him down to Hartford at the start of the season. Waiving someone doesn't remove them from the cap

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06-29-2010, 02:06 PM
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So what is the reason that he's going to maybe be waived at the end of camp and not now??
As far as I know, waiving him now will do nothing to the summer cap hit. It won't remove his $6.5 million off the NHL salary cap until the season starts, when he's assigned.

Also, I believe they're at least willing to give him a shot in camp. If it's clear that he outperforms a rookie, they'll probably take the stupid way out and let him play over the rookie. This is NYR management after all. It's not Torts' call.

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06-29-2010, 02:07 PM
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If Redden refuses his assignment, the contract can be terminated, but thats also $24 million hes tossing.

Itll be interesting to see what happens regardless.

We'll see what Redden is all about here when the time comes.

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So Arthur Staple is saying the reason Redden hasnt been waived yet is b/c in camp kids will be forced to beat out a veteran? Is that the real reason or their is another reason?

The kids can compete within themselves for a spot on the team. They don't need a veteran to beat out. We could waive him now if we wanted too, imo....of course if theres nothing stopping us.

Someone clarify please, thanks.
Nothing wrong with a little competition, but that's pretty funny. That's like forcing me to eat a delicious pastrami sandwich when I haven't eaten for days.

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06-29-2010, 02:22 PM
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As far as I know, waiving him now will do nothing to the summer cap hit. It won't remove his $6.5 million off the NHL salary cap until the season starts, when he's assigned.

Also, I believe they're at least willing to give him a shot in camp. If it's clear that he outperforms a rookie, they'll probably take the stupid way out and let him play over the rookie. This is NYR management after all. It's not Torts' call.
Thanks for clarifying without a hissy fit.

Levitate, I'm aware that waiving someone doesn't remove the number; especially in Brashears case. The individual needs to pass thru waivers and be assigned to the minors. That's only possible at the end of camp , pretty much. That's what I need to know.

Thanks.

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06-29-2010, 02:22 PM
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If you in the camp that believes that sending WR down or waiving him hurts future UFA’s from considering signing with the NYR (and maybe mgmt is too) why would you do this right before the start of free agency?

There isn’t a cap advantage and only a potential downside from a UFA’s perspective….best to wait it out.

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06-29-2010, 02:35 PM
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If you in the camp that believes that sending WR down or waiving him hurts future UFA’s from considering signing with the NYR (and maybe mgmt is too) why would you do this right before the start of free agency?

There isn’t a cap advantage and only a potential downside from a UFA’s perspective….best to wait it out.
If you come and play hockey and show effort, you're fine. Gaborik and Drury are examples. Look at their lucrative contracts. They came in as UFA's. It's a 2-way street.

If a player has fear he won't do good in NY & will be treated like Wade, then he probably won't play good for us. I don't want him.

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I really do think that this is going to happen.

It all depends on whether we sign someone. If we don't sign Kovalchuk or another big name, we will have plenty of cap space.

If so, the team will be able to use a veteran defenseman, and who knows, maybe he'll play a little better, and as his contract gets closer to the end, someone may bite and take him off our hands, even if it will be for another bad, but somewhat less bad contract.

A year from now, Redden will be halfway through his contract. If he has a decent season, someone might pick him up.

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Even if Kovalchuk is not signed I still think Redden should/could be waived.

Itd be nice to have that extra 6.5 in space.

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If you come and play hockey and show effort, you're fine. Gaborik and Drury are examples. Look at their lucrative contracts. They came in as UFA's. It's a 2-way street.

If a player has fear he won't do good in NY & will be treated like Wade, then he probably won't play good for us. I don't want him.
I agree, but if you believe it's a deterrent, you are not putting you best foot forward on 7/1.

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06-29-2010, 03:12 PM
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Wouldnt this deter future FA signings from coming to NY?
So many people keep saying this. What don't you guys understand?

If a FA is deterred from signing here because he's worried that he's going to underachieve Wade Redden-style and get sent to Hartford, then WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT GUY TO SIGN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

This should be an absolute non-issue with any FA's that we'd actually want here.

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didnt Petr Sykora refuse to report to the Wilds AHL and then it voided his contract?
Yea but he had only like 500,000 to lose not 24million

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