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why do yous want your pic so bad,i taught every free agent on the market was goin to toronto.Yous must be expecting another bad year,and boston will surely thank you for another franchise player lol
People link all players to the Leafs for one reason.
We have cap space and we can spend every cent.
We currently have 12+ mill in cap space and if we trade Kaberle and demote Finger we then have 18+ mill in cap space!!!
why do yous want your pic so bad,i taught every free agent on the market was goin to toronto.Yous must be expecting another bad year,and boston will surely thank you for another franchise player lol
If Toronto is going to trade Kaberle to Boston, it's going to have to be a much better package than that....
Wheeler is a good starting point, but the reality is that he's at best a 2nd line winger right now and at worst an inbetweener who doesn't fit on our roster. To make the deal, it would have to be Wheeler + the Toronto 2011 first (for the Leafs to use in offer sheets). We also would have diffculty taking on Ryder because we don't need 2 right wingers. Anything less and it would put Boston over the top without doing anything to help the Leafs.
If Boston doesn't want to part with Wheeler (they shouldn't because he's their 2nd best offensive winger), they can substitute him for Colborne + Hunwick + Ryder....so the deal would be Colborne + Hunwick + Ryder + Toronto 2011 First. Ryder would become the Leafs 2nd line RW this year, and they'd have the 2011 first to use in an offer sheet.
That being said, In order for Boston to add Tomas Kaberle, they'd have to trade Marc Savard. Not because teh Leafs require it, because of the cap issues.
If Toronto is going to trade Kaberle to Boston, it's going to have to be a much better package than that....
Wheeler is a good starting point, but the reality is that he's at best a 2nd line winger right now and at worst an inbetweener who doesn't fit on our roster. To make the deal, it would have to be Wheeler + the Toronto 2011 first (for the Leafs to use in offer sheets). We also would have diffculty taking on Ryder because we don't need 2 right wingers. Anything less and it would put Boston over the top without doing anything to help the Leafs.
If Boston doesn't want to part with Wheeler (they shouldn't because he's their 2nd best offensive winger), they can substitute him for Colborne + Hunwick + Ryder....so the deal would be Colborne + Hunwick + Ryder + Toronto 2011 First. Ryder would become the Leafs 2nd line RW this year, and they'd have the 2011 first to use in an offer sheet.
That being said, In order for Boston to add Tomas Kaberle, they'd have to trade Marc Savard. Not because teh Leafs require it, because of the cap issues.
1st Round Pick is neccessary to make offer sheets/trade elsewhere, as neither of those packages alone are anywhere near enough to make us a better team without Kaberle.
I just don't think the two make good trading partners if it is roster players the Bruins are offering up. Wheeler just seems to be a guy who always leaves you wanting more.....kinda like Poni was here for years. Ryder is to you what Finger and Blake are /were to us so good luck.
1st Round Pick is neccessary to make offer sheets/trade elsewhere, as neither of those packages alone are anywhere near enough to make us a better team without Kaberle.
Burke's said he's not seeking a high pick but an impact roster player. Boston doesn't have an abundance of wingers, and it's pretty clear they don't want to move a 1/2 centerman to Toronto either.
Burke's too stubborn to take the pick back anyway. You know, same old story, the Leafs will make the playoffs and he'd get up again tomorrow and make the same trade all over again.
If Toronto is going to trade Kaberle to Boston, it's going to have to be a much better package than that....
Wheeler is a good starting point, but the reality is that he's at best a 2nd line winger right now and at worst an inbetweener who doesn't fit on our roster. To make the deal, it would have to be Wheeler + the Toronto 2011 first (for the Leafs to use in offer sheets). We also would have diffculty taking on Ryder because we don't need 2 right wingers. Anything less and it would put Boston over the top without doing anything to help the Leafs.
If Boston doesn't want to part with Wheeler (they shouldn't because he's their 2nd best offensive winger), they can substitute him for Colborne + Hunwick + Ryder....so the deal would be Colborne + Hunwick + Ryder + Toronto 2011 First. Ryder would become the Leafs 2nd line RW this year, and they'd have the 2011 first to use in an offer sheet.
That being said, In order for Boston to add Tomas Kaberle, they'd have to trade Marc Savard. Not because teh Leafs require it, because of the cap issues.
I except that you are a leaf fan but plesae try and make somewhat realistic posts
1st Round Pick is neccessary to make offer sheets/trade elsewhere, as neither of those packages alone are anywhere near enough to make us a better team without Kaberle.
Kaberle currently has zero trade value. Not saying what was proposed for him was at all good on our part, but what you proposed is again a huge overpayment.
A UFA to be only has trade value at the trade deadline. You want that much call a playoff team in need of a final piece sometime near the deadline.
No need in Boston getting a long term rental for a 1st and our 2nd best Center Prospect. Nor is there a need for Tor to pick up our deadweight for a top-20 PMD.
Kaberle currently has zero trade value. Not saying what was proposed for him was at all good on our part, but what you proposed is again a huge overpayment.
A UFA to be only has trade value at the trade deadline. You want that much call a playoff team in need of a final piece sometime near the deadline.
No need in Boston getting a long term rental for a 1st and our 2nd best Center Prospect. Nor is there a need for Tor to pick up our deadweight for a top-20 PMD.
This is where you get flame wars started. Kaberle may only have 1 year left, but the fact is that he's underpaid by about $2m, and if you're a team that knows you have a deficiency of puckmoving from the blueline, he should be at the top of your list to trade for. On Boston's side aswell, it puts them at a significant advatange in signing him because he lives there for a year and has the opportunity to get comfortable.
That being said, If Boston doesn't want to part with the kind of quality the Leafs need to make the deal, we'll keep him. We're not up against the cap.
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Burke's said he's not seeking a high pick but an impact roster player. Boston doesn't have an abundance of wingers, and it's pretty clear they don't want to move a 1/2 centerman to Toronto either.
Burke's too stubborn to take the pick back anyway. You know, same old story, the Leafs will make the playoffs and he'd get up again tomorrow and make the same trade all over again.
That he did; which is why Boston would have to part with an impact roster player or the futures neccessary for the Leafs to flip elsewhere for an impact roster player. Unfortunately in Boston's position, none of the 3 centres straight up would yield Kaberle. Bergy could walk on the Leafs in a year, Savard is getting old and coming off a concussion, and while Krejci is better than Grabovski, the difference isn't worth Tomas Kaberle + whatever we get back for Grabo (which won't be much).
On the 2nd point, he problably is too stubborn to take the pick back. Same reason why he problably could've top 3 protected the 2010 pick (Chia said he projected the Leafs pick nowhere #2), but that would go directly against the assumption of the playoffs.
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I except that you are a leaf fan but plesae try and make somewhat realistic posts
That's what it would take. Do I think Boston should do it? That depends on their confidence in getting Kaberle signed and their ability to move Tim Thomas.
This is where you get flame wars started. Kaberle may only have 1 year left, but the fact is that he's underpaid by about $2m, and if you're a team that knows you have a deficiency of puckmoving from the blueline, he should be at the top of your list to trade for. On Boston's side aswell, it puts them at a significant advatange in signing him because he lives there for a year and has the opportunity to get comfortable.
Flame wars would imply that I haven't changed my stance at all or given decent counter proposals and just shot down yours. On the contrary I look at this as just another discussion open for debate and have done so very respectfully.
Moving forward. Since when has having a player for one year in the NHL guaranteed you him re-signing? You're assuming he'll sign here and assuming gets people into trouble (Burke assumed the pick this year wouldn't be 2nd overall) I don't like assumptions, they're bad for business. Kaberle's going to want a big pay bump (rightfully so) but Chara's contract is also up next year. Me and every other B's fan (probably 90% of the people on this board) would rather keep Chara than Kaberle any day. Therefore Kaberle's value overall is lower and his value to Boston is even lower.
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That being said, If Boston doesn't want to part with the kind of quality the Leafs need to make the deal, we'll keep him. We're not up against the cap.
I pretty sure Kaberle will be in Blue and White this season. After that who knows. As for the rest of your post. Savard for Kaberle I won't touch as you and I know each others stance on that. Krecji for Kaberle is BEYOND and overpayment for Kaberle and if you can't see that then I don't even know if it's worth continuing this. And Bergeron could walk on the Leafs next year same as Kaberle could do on Boston. Your contradiction aside, it's not worth it to either team.
Caron + Ryder + Tor 1st (or if Burkes too stubborn Bos 1st) in 2011 for Kaberle + mid level wing prospect. You have the prospect to flip, the salary dump we need, and your choice of 1st round picks that helps you restock whatever prospect you'd have to give up and or to help resign RFAas. I think the Bruins would like a mid-teir prospect in return though (a winger most likely).
If that isn't worth a 1 year rental for Boston then yes this trade makes zero sense to both teams and we can end this thread.
I think most Leaf fans need to realize that there is virtually no way to agree with Bruins fans over a trade scenario here. It's been tried countless times, all it does is get derailed into arguments and team bashing. Especially when you're trying to tell fanbases something about their team they don't want to hear.
Telling Boston fans that they need to move a good player is like telling Toronto fans they're finishing with a lottery pick again; Neither team wants to believe it, but it just might be true.
Kaberle currently has zero trade value. Not saying what was proposed for him was at all good on our part, but what you proposed is again a huge overpayment.
A UFA to be only has trade value at the trade deadline. You want that much call a playoff team in need of a final piece sometime near the deadline.
No need in Boston getting a long term rental for a 1st and our 2nd best Center Prospect. Nor is there a need for Tor to pick up our deadweight for a top-20 PMD.
You sir are an ______.
Isn't Chara a UFA next year? Does he have no value?
Isn't Chara a UFA next year? Does he have no value?
Bad example. They have every intention of re-signing him.
However, if they were to trade him, he would probably get a better return than Kaberle, as there are fewer questions on whether or not he would re-sign, more teams currently need a big shut-down guy, and, well let's face it, he's a better defenseman than Kaberle
Flame wars would imply that I haven't changed my stance at all or given decent counter proposals and just shot down yours. On the contrary I look at this as just another discussion open for debate and have done so very respectfully.
Moving forward. Since when has having a player for one year in the NHL guaranteed you him re-signing? You're assuming he'll sign here and assuming gets people into trouble (Burke assumed the pick this year wouldn't be 2nd overall) I don't like assumptions, they're bad for business. Kaberle's going to want a big pay bump (rightfully so) but Chara's contract is also up next year. Me and every other B's fan (probably 90% of the people on this board) would rather keep Chara than Kaberle any day. Therefore Kaberle's value overall is lower and his value to Boston is even lower.
I pretty sure Kaberle will be in Blue and White this season. After that who knows. As for the rest of your post. Savard for Kaberle I won't touch as you and I know each others stance on that. Krecji for Kaberle is BEYOND and overpayment for Kaberle and if you can't see that then I don't even know if it's worth continuing this. And Bergeron could walk on the Leafs next year same as Kaberle could do on Boston. Your contradiction aside, it's not worth it to either team.
Caron + Ryder + Tor 1st (or if Burkes too stubborn Bos 1st) in 2011 for Kaberle + mid level wing prospect. You have the prospect to flip, the salary dump we need, and your choice of 1st round picks that helps you restock whatever prospect you'd have to give up and or to help resign RFAas. I think the Bruins would like a mid-teir prospect in return though (a winger most likely).
If that isn't worth a 1 year rental for Boston then yes this trade makes zero sense to both teams and we can end this thread.
Flame wars happen because you say something completely off base with the hope of inciting anger amongst the other posters in this thread.
Having a player for 1 year does not guarantee him resigning, but it does mkae it significantly more likely to sign because playing somewhere for a year requires you to move there; whereas at the deadline often families stay and the player puts himself up in a hotel. Kaberle will want a pay increase, but like Chara, is also in the perfect position to sign a longterm frontloaded deal to keep the cap hit down.
While his value may be lower to Boston, that doesn't mean the Leafs are trading him for less. He has constantly re-iterated that he wants to sign an extension here, and has always been treated fairly by Brian Burke. If the market doesn't significantly improve the Leafs, then he will be resigned.
Krejci for Kabrerle may be too much from the B's side, but it's simply not worht it from the Leafs side. As for Bergeron, it is in neither team's best interest to trade a player who is willing to resign for a player who may not be willing to do so.
With Caron + Ryder + Toronto 1st you're getting close, but the Leafs need Colborne (he's closer to the NHL) and problably Hunwick.. If it means we have to part with a guy like Mikhail Stefanovich or Jerry d'Amigo (+ maybe Jesse Blacker for Hunwick)... so be it.
Does everyone forget how much Wheeler and Ryder sucked last year. Stuart was nothing but a bottom-pairing d-man as well.
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Kaberle currently has zero trade value. Not saying what was proposed for him was at all good on our part, but what you proposed is again a huge overpayment.
A UFA to be only has trade value at the trade deadline. You want that much call a playoff team in need of a final piece sometime near the deadline.
No need in Boston getting a long term rental for a 1st and our 2nd best Center Prospect. Nor is there a need for Tor to pick up our deadweight for a top-20 PMD.
I think most Leaf fans need to realize that there is virtually no way to agree with Bruins fans over a trade scenario here. It's been tried countless times, all it does is get derailed into arguments and team bashing. Especially when you're trying to tell fanbases something about their team they don't want to hear.
Telling Boston fans that they need to move a good player is like telling Toronto fans they're finishing with a lottery pick again; Neither team wants to believe it, but it just might be true.
hahaha...ain't that the truth. Overvaluing and undervaluing on both sides.
I honestly think Savard for Kaberle would be a good trade for both teams (with a conditional draft pick thrown in based on whether Kabs re-signs in Boston etc.).
I know he has concussion issues, but so does about 1/4 of the league. I know Savvy gets a lot of money up front, but the Leafs can afford it. I know his K is 7 years, but it would be so easy to dump to the minors and force retirement, or pawn off on some broke team since his actual salary will be peanuts by then.
The fact remains that the Leafs would be getting a 1st line C for the foreseeable future who has already had chemistry with your best forward, all at a good cap hit for a d-man who is extremely talented, but only has 1 year left on his contract.
I don't know what amazing package Burke or Leafs fans are expecting to come around for Kaberle, especially seeing that his contract will just continue to go towards the end.
Now saying they'd rather keep and re-sign Kabs, that's cool. I just figured that the Leafs would want to spread their strengths around given the chance, much as the Bruins would be doing by giving up a center to get a world-class puckmover.
It makes so much sense, I want to send the paperwork in now, haha.
But I'm done being angry about it, LOL.
You want more for Kabs and don't want Savard. I STRONGLY disagree and think Leafs fans and Burke would regret this decision once they get a worse package for Kaberle and realize they could have had a bonafide 1st line C for a guy on his way out the door.
But I respect your opinions. I've calmed down from last night.
As for this offer, I can't see the LEafs making this trade at all. If they did, it would have to be deep in July and they would have struck out on the UFA market and have a TON of cap space still to work with.
Bad example. They have every intention of re-signing him.
However, if they were to trade him, he would probably get a better return than Kaberle, as there are fewer questions on whether or not he would re-sign, more teams currently need a big shut-down guy, and, well let's face it, he's a better defenseman than Kaberle
The guy said Kaberle has zero trade value because he is a rental and Chara is a UFA as well next year, so he has trade value worth a fortune? He is a better defense men but that doesnt make Kaberle have zero trade value.
