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06-30-2010, 11:43 AM
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My Initial post was 6.1 per for 7 yrs... (42.5M for 7yrs)

2010/11 RFA Compensation

$1,020,348 or below: No compensation.
$1,020,348 to $1,545,981: A third-round draft choice.
$1,545,981 to $3,091,963: A second round draft choice.
$3,091,963 to $4,637,944: A first-round choice and a third-rounder.
$4,637,944 to $6,183,925: A first- a second- and a third-rounder.
$6,183,925 to $7,729,907: Two First-round choices, a second-rounder and a third-rounder.
Over $7,729,907: Four first-rounders
The problem isn't the amount. It was the length. If you go over 5 years it doesn't work like that.

So 6.1 for 7 years = 4 firsts.

If it was 6.1 for 5 years then yes you are correct, that wasn't the deal offered though.

As someone said, it was put in place this way to prevent big clubs from front loading contracts that other clubs can't match to steal their players.

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My Initial post was 6.1 per for 7 yrs... (42.5M for 7yrs)

2010/11 RFA Compensation

$1,020,348 or below: No compensation.
$1,020,348 to $1,545,981: A third-round draft choice.
$1,545,981 to $3,091,963: A second round draft choice.
$3,091,963 to $4,637,944: A first-round choice and a third-rounder.
$4,637,944 to $6,183,925: A first- a second- and a third-rounder.
$6,183,925 to $7,729,907: Two First-round choices, a second-rounder and a third-rounder.
Over $7,729,907: Four first-rounders
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http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2009...ed-free-agent/


For 6.1 m its actually a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd

2010 Compensation

•$1,020,348 or below: No compensation.
•$1,020,348 to $1,545,981: A third-round draft choice.
•$1,545,981 to $3,091,963: A second round draft choice.
•$3,091,963 to $4,637,944: A first-round choice and a third-rounder.
•$4,637,944 to $6,183,925: A first- a second- and a third-rounder.•$6,183,925 to $7,729,907: Two First-round choices, a second-rounder and a third-rounder.
•Over $7,729,907: Four first-rounders.
That's not how offer sheets work.

Lower the term to 5 if you want it to work like that.

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06-30-2010, 11:45 AM
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You divide the total value of the contract by the number of years they're signed for or the number 5, whichever is less.

That is to stop big budget clubs from preying on cash strapped clubs. If that rule wasn't in place, a team like Vancouver or New York could offer Weber:

10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 5, 1, 1, 1, 1 which would be a cap hit of 5.9 million but make it almost impossible for Nashville to match, as their owners wouldn't be able to shell out 10 million a year for the next 5 for the guy. The rule basically means teams can still try this, but they WILL be giving up 4 1st round picks.



The NHL sees that cap hit as ~8.5
Alright, fair enough. So just switch it from 7 years to 5 then, and that original offer sheet makes sense for the lower compensation. Got it.
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06-30-2010, 11:56 AM
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The problem isn't the amount. It was the length. If you go over 5 years it doesn't work like that.

So 6.1 for 7 years = 4 firsts.

If it was 6.1 for 5 years then yes you are correct, that wasn't the deal offered though.

As someone said, it was put in place this way to prevent big clubs from front loading contracts that other clubs can't match to steal their players.
thx I learned something regarding the CBA again today... I seem to learn something different regarding that every day lately...

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Huh, didnt know that about RFA offer sheets. Learn something new.

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06-30-2010, 03:17 PM
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I don't know why he wouldn't ask to be paid as much as Perry and Getzlav. He should.

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What I wouldn't give to have Bobby Ryan...

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Nice comments from a guy that reportedly turned down 20-25 mill on a 5 year term.

The wants Phil Kessel money pure and simple. So you can either sign him or lose him, cause the Leafs have 12+ mill in cap space BABY!!
Do people realize that the leafs can not offer sheet Ryan?

From Article 10.4,
-- Clubs owing one (1) draft selection must have it available in the next draft.
-- Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in different rounds must have them available in the next draft.
-- Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in different rounds must have them available in the next draft.
-- Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in the same round, must have them available in the next three (3) drafts.
-- Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in the same round must have them available in the next four (4) drafts, and so on.

Plus the picks have to be the Leafs picks, not picks from other teams. So to offer sheet Ryan Boston would have to trade the Leafs 1st back to them and Chicago would have to trade their 3rd back to them.

Thats was a big reason why the leafs traded a second and third in 11 to get their 2nd in 10 back from Chicago a year ago so they could threaten the B's with a offer sheet for Kessel.

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And what can the Leafs do with that 12 mil? Sign him to an offer sheet? Oh wait......my bad.....you actually need draft picks to do that.

The only way he is a Leaf is via trade.

As for wanting Kessel money, I actually dont think its that. I think its term becasue he wanst to be a FA as soon as possible and the Ducks want him to give up a year of FA elgibilty. If that is truely the hold up, Bob Murray is an idiot.
Ok as a leaf fan i know good damn well we are never going to see Ryan in a blue and white jersey.We don't have the picks or anything i think the ducks would value at this time ( that we would be willing to give up of course ie NK and LS )

BR has stated publicly he doesn't expect to be making getz or perry money... he just wants to stay. Those don't sound like words of a man who wants to leave. He simply wants to like you said have the term he wants in return for a very reasonable contract i would venture. That way he has the opportunity to raise his value over this contract to the level of it being a foregone conclusion he will get a raise.

Smart money says he will be a duck for a while yet.

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06-30-2010, 05:30 PM
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I don't know why he wouldn't ask to be paid as much as Perry and Getzlav. He should.
Because he hasn't proven as much and he knows it.

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06-30-2010, 05:50 PM
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Because he hasn't proven as much and he knows it.
Well he didn't say that he didn't deserve as much as them. He said no one makes more than those two, so I wouldn't be suprised if he wants similar money.

Now I do agree that he hasn't earned it yet. His first full year he got 35 goals and 64 points, and a 64 point player doesn't deserve 5 million yet. However he's accomplished more than Perry had when he got his contract so one could argue that while he hasn't earned it yet, he very well could deserve it.

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06-30-2010, 05:56 PM
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We knew how good Perry and Getzlaf were though. They weren't the main source of scoring either, so of course they didn't put up great numbers yet.

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You do realize that it's coming out of the players own mouth?
BTW, I really love the arrogance in "teams that nobody really cares about". Really makes you sooo much more likable.
Sure it's much better to be a nice guy than speak truth... The way our civilization goes...

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I have never once seen a comment from a Leaf fan saying that Bobby will only go to the Leafs. Do you have examples or was this just a lame means of getting in a shot at Leafs fans?

Lots of Leafs fans saying they really want him and some really one-sided trade proposals, but thats what HFboards is about, isn't it? Overvalue your own players and undervalue every everyone else.
DING DING DING! Finally we have insight into the thought processes of Leaf fans

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06-30-2010, 06:26 PM
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Well he didn't say that he didn't deserve as much as them. He said no one makes more than those two, so I wouldn't be suprised if he wants similar money.

Now I do agree that he hasn't earned it yet. His first full year he got 35 goals and 64 points, and a 64 point player doesn't deserve 5 million yet. However he's accomplished more than Perry had when he got his contract so one could argue that while he hasn't earned it yet, he very well could deserve it.
I think most people would be fine with giving him similar $$ to Getz and Perry. But he won't be getting any more than that from the Ducks. He's a smart enough kid to not expect that, and he's not the type of person who'd be offended if he gets lowballed a little in negotiations. He knows that this is a business and that it's a two-way street.

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Was reading the first page or two until it turned into an insecure bickering war between 12 year olds.

Looks like he's not putting himself on the same level as perry and getz. Possibly a 3-4 year deal, sounds like he wants to test to market in a few years as well. Great player. Anaheim has a bright future.

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