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06-30-2010, 06:45 PM
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Flyers just signed Leightnon to a 2 yr 3 mil deal. Does that mean one less team for Ellis?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_yl...ighton-3819931

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06-30-2010, 06:50 PM
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Flyers just signed Leightnon to a 2 yr 3 mil deal. Does that mean one less team for Ellis?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_yl...ighton-3819931
I think this means that if the Flyers want an improvement on Boucher, Ellis could be the right guy.

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Flyers just signed Leightnon to a 2 yr 3 mil deal. Does that mean one less team for Ellis?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_yl...ighton-3819931
McKenzie said in his twitter they are still looking for a #1 guy.

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06-30-2010, 06:56 PM
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I think this means that if the Flyers want an improvement on Boucher, Ellis could be the right guy.
Flyers have 3 forwards and 3 Ds to add with 5 mil of free space, and among those, they have Coburn and Parent who are RFAs and will take up a good part of that 5 mil.

They don't have the space for Ellis at 500k-1m more than what Boucher makes (0,925k), now that Leighton is signed at 1,5m.

Flyers would need to trade to make some space.

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Flyers have 3 forwards and 3 Ds to add with 5 mil of free space, and among those, they have Coburn and Parent who are RFAs and will take up a good part of that 5 mil.

They don't have the space for Ellis at 500k-1m more than what Boucher makes (0,925k), now that Leighton is signed at 1,5m.

Flyers would need to trade to make some space.
Parent belongs to Nashville. I think they might be able to squeeze in a goalie.

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06-30-2010, 07:10 PM
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I think this means that if the Flyers want an improvement on Boucher, Ellis could be the right guy.
I think it means they are going with Emery and Leighton. Is he still under contract?

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06-30-2010, 07:14 PM
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I think it means they are going with Emery and Leighton. Is he still under contract?
Nope, I guess the Flyers will choose between Biron, Emery or Niittymaki? If Ellis accepts to sign under 2M, why wouldn't the Flyers take him over them?

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06-30-2010, 07:23 PM
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It just dawned on me how brilliant this trade is.

If an offer sheet is sent to Price and we can't match, we are in deep < insert favorite word here >.

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It just dawned on me how brilliant this trade is.

If an offer sheet is sent to Price and we can't match, we are in deep < insert favorite word here >.
I choose ****.

Yeah, I thought about that too. Unless I'm missing something, that means that tomorrow we'll be G-less until someone signs. Life is weird sometimes.

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06-30-2010, 07:49 PM
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I seriously doubted Ellis would ask for $2M and nothing more. I can see PG offering it, even though it seems a little steep for a back-up when I was under the impression Habs were to trust Price as #1, but Gauthier/Gainey tend to overpay a little (Pouliot being another example).

Wouldn't be surprised to hear the difference being $300K to $500K and PG not wanting to go any higher. But one has to wonder why trading for his rights; even if they just wanted to get rid of SK. Maybe it's a little bit of strategy before UFA circus? See how much more you can get elsewhere in a less exciting market...

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06-30-2010, 08:00 PM
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Flyers just signed Leightnon to a 2 yr 3 mil deal. Does that mean one less team for Ellis?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_yl...ighton-3819931
anything over that and montreal is overpaying....as far as i'm concerned leighton has has more success out of the two and they are both very similar

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06-30-2010, 08:06 PM
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You want Lalime to play 25 games? He was a collective 9 and 21 with the Sabres
Pretty certain that you'll find my answer in the first part of my post. Between the 3, Biron, Lalime and Ellis, it's Ellis. Then it's Biron.

I just said that while a lot of people keep bringing Biron assuming that he's aboslutely willing of coming here, we didn't hear him say it out loud, at least compared to Lalime who clearly stated he wants to come over. But I don't want Lalime.

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how is it without an hesitation?

Biron is a career .910 while Ellis' at .912. And you also save at least 500 000$.
Because Ellis is as late-bloomer as you can find. I still believe he has way more good years to give us.

While I believe that Martin Biron best years are behind him. We are not electing anybody in the hall of fame here. We are trying to predict who will be the best candidate FROM NOW ON.

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06-30-2010, 08:16 PM
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2 million per is a decent back up, especially for a guy who can step up in a number role in case of injury or if Price should falter.

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06-30-2010, 08:21 PM
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I've said it before he is not our solution
Scotty getting nervous price might have some competition again. I know you would prefer yann Danis


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2 million per is a decent back up, especially for a guy who can step up in a number role in case of injury or if Price should falter.
Probably the first thing I agree with that you'Ve said.

Signing Ellis could help make it easier with Price.

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06-30-2010, 08:30 PM
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Probably the first thing I agree with that you'Ve said.

Signing Ellis could help make it easier with Price.
It only took over 12,000 + posts!

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06-30-2010, 08:43 PM
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For some reason I thought Lars Eller was pushing for a $2m deal lol

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How much time do we still have to sign him?

any word on Boyd?

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Ellis should be asking for $4M/2yrs. And we shouldn't be paying it. And there aren't that many other teams that should either. But the UFA Frenzy is a crazy time and you never know what will happen. So Ellis has to see if he can get it. If he doesn't, we'll get another shot at him. Or somebody equivalent.

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06-30-2010, 09:29 PM
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See the real picture guys!

Dan Ellis for 2M dollars...????? just by looking at it, it sounds reasonable. However, if you look at how much a backup was making last year

numbers from nhlnumbers.com

Anaheim - McElhinney, 0,535M
Atlanta - Hedberg, 1.175M, Pavelec, 0.85M
Boston - Rask, 1M
Buffalo - Lalime, 1M
Carolina - Legace, 0.5M
Chicago - Niemi, 0.827M
Columbus - Garon 1.2M, Mason, 0.905M
Colorado - Budaj, 1.25M
Dallas - Turco, 5.4M
Detriot - 0.75M
Edmonton - Drouin-Deslauriers, 0.7M, Dubnyk, 0.7M
Florida - Clemmensen, 1M
Los Angeles - Ersberg, 0.75M
Minnesota - Harding, 1.1M
Montreal - Halak, 0.775M
Nashville - Ellis, 2M
New Jersey - Danis, 0.5M
New York Islander - Biron, 1.4M
NEw York Rangers - Auld, 1M, Valiquette,0.725M
Ottawa - Elliott, 0.8M
Philly - Boucher, 0.925M
Phoenix - Labarbera, 1M
Pittsburgh - Johnson - 0.6M
San Jose - Greiss, 0.55M
St Louis - Conklin, 1.2M
Tampa Bay - Niittymaki, 0.6M
Toronto - Gustavsson, 1.35M
Vancouver - Schneider, 0.9M
Washington - Varlamov, 0.85M

With exception to Turco and Ellis, who are signed to No.1 goalie contract and played as a backup, it is safe to say a backup goalie in NHL make around 1M per year.

So unless a team think Ellis is their number 1 goalie, he'll be offered around 1M as backup around the league.

What team(s) may sign Ellis as their number 1 goalie?

Anaheim - Hiller at 4.5M -> NO
Atlanta - Pavelec at 0.85M -> YES
Boston - Tim Thomas at 6M and Rask.. -> NO
Buffalo - Miller -> NO
Carolina - Ward at 6M -> NO
Calgary - Kiprusoff at 7M -> NO
Chicago - Huet, Niemi with cap issue -> NO
Columbus - Mason -> YES
Colorado - Anderson -> Maybe
Dallas - Lethonen -> NO
Detriot - Osgood and Howard locked up -> NO
Edmonton - Khabibulin -> NO
Florida - Vokoun -> NO
LA - Quick at 1.8M -> Maybe
Minnesota - Backstrom at 6M -> NO
Montreal - Price -> NO
Nashville - NO
New Jersey - Brodeur -> NO
NYI - DiPietro -> NO
NYR - Lundqvist -> NO
Ottawa - Leclaire, Elliott -> Maybe
Philly - with 3 goalies locked up -> a big Maybe
Phoenix - Bryzgalov -> NO
Pittsburg - Fluery -> NO
San Jose -> YES
St Louis - Halak -> NO
Tampa Bay -> Smith -> YES
Toronto - Giguere at 7M -> NO (Jesus.. I didn't know Burke picked up this 7M contract!)
Vancouver - Luongo -> NO
Washington - Varlamov -> YES

Therefore: Atlanta, Columbus, Colorado, LA, Ottawa, Philly, San Jose, Tampa and Washington may look for Ellis as No. 1

Among these teams, I can see only Atlanta, Columbus, Colorado and Tampa will budget 2M to sign Ellis as number 1.

I would say the chance for us signing Ellis at around 1M is pretty good.

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http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=326149

MCKENZIE: LOOKS LIKE ELLIS IS GOING TO MARKET
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6/30/2010 4:29:20 PM

- All indications are that goaltender Dan Ellis will be going to market on Thursday. It doesn't preclude Montreal as a destination, but it opens it up.


I probably missed someone posting this.....but it has me a bit concerned about signing Ellis now.

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06-30-2010, 09:32 PM
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I hope Montreal remains patient and does not spend too much for an albatross of a contract on a backup goaltender. Carey Price is the number one goaltender; if you are going to spend money spend to surround him with a proper defense not on a backup who you probably won't use for a third of the games.

Maybe Gauthier getting Ellis has served its purpose: to scare the Flyers into signing Leighton for 1.5million per year for 2 years. I still can't believe they actually gave him that contract. Bwahahahaha.


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It just dawned on me how brilliant this trade is.

If an offer sheet is sent to Price and we can't match, we are in deep < insert favorite word here >.
While Price is the future of the franchise, if someone offers him an offersheet that the Habs can't match it means lots of picks coming back our way and that we have the option of signing a FA goaltender...or trading for one. But I could live with a Biron being signed and bringing up Sanford for a backup.

I would love to see someone giving and offer sheet to Price...sure it would hurt, but it wouldn't be the end of the world...not for this year and especially not the future. And in the end it could be an even better situation for Montreal.

But I doubt that anyone would be desperate enough to do it.

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Ellis should be asking for $4M/2yrs. And we shouldn't be paying it. And there aren't that many other teams that should either. But the UFA Frenzy is a crazy time and you never know what will happen. So Ellis has to see if he can get it. If he doesn't, we'll get another shot at him. Or somebody equivalent.
If $2M for Ellis is too much, one has to wonder why PG traded for his rights. Surely he didn't think he could sign him for $1.5M. No doubt we could get a back-up for cheap in a few days/weeks, but why even talking with Ellis before tomorrow?

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MCKENZIE: LOOKS LIKE ELLIS IS GOING TO MARKET
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6/30/2010 4:29:20 PM

- All indications are that goaltender Dan Ellis will be going to market on Thursday. It doesn't preclude Montreal as a destination, but it opens it up.


I probably missed someone posting this.....but it has me a bit concerned about signing Ellis now.
Yet, Shannon thinks discussions will resume tomorrow morning.

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