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07-01-2010, 12:59 PM
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...we're trading Carle, right?

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Apparently he wanted a guarantee that he'd get 80 games, the Kings couldn't give him that guarantee. Don't know how the Flyers could either.

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NHLlive is saying Atlanta is pushing for Ellis.
We HAVE to be dealing Carle or Coburn, I mean, it HAS to happen.

Right? Right?

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Apparently he wanted a guarantee that he'd get 80 games, the Kings couldn't give him that guarantee. Don't know how the Flyers could either.
6th defenseman. Bartulis scratched.

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...we're trading Carle, right?
You would think... if we signed Carcillo and Powe to the same contract they had last year, we are 200k under the cap lol

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6th defenseman. Bartulis scratched.
Yeah, why would you try to develop a prospect when you can bring in a 39 year-old right?

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From March...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...illiams-1.html

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O’Donnell hasn’t been held out of a game since that brief exile and Coach Terry Murray said he hasn’t even considered that option. O’Donnell has been too valuable, not only as a tutor to youngsters like Drew Doughty and Jack Johnson but for the physical presence and experience he brings to every game.

“Since then I don’t know if I’ve picked it up or what has happened but it hasn’t really been an issue since then,” O’Donnell said after Thursday’s morning skate.

“When you kind of get to the stage where I’m at you try not to look too far ahead. One game at a time. I didn’t know if that was going to happen again later in the year. I wasn’t sure. But it has worked out well so far.

“I remember coming back from the lockout and playing in Phoenix and getting scratched for a bunch of games that year. It’s never fun. It’s one of those things that if I’m not playing on the edge or at the top of my ability I don’t have the kind of talent where I can just get by. There’s got to be that intensity every game.”

Murray said he scratched O’Donnell for those games because he hadn’t been seeing that kind of intensity from O’Donnell on a consistent basis, “that hard, heavy, gritty game that he had showed the previous year.” But Murray has had no complaints since then.

“I like the way he’s bounced back. Take a look at the minutes he’s playing, his plus/minus,” said Murray, who has paired O’Donnell with offense-minded Johnson the past few weeks.

“His role on this team has stayed the same as it was last year. An important player. A veteran presence and helping the younger players develop their game. “

Not only is O’Donnell playing more, he’s taking time to savor every moment.

“I’m at the point now where I talk to my wife all the time and we know these days aren’t going to last too much longer. We’re going to hope for a little bit longer, but not too much longer, and you kind of want to seize the opportunity,” said O’Donnell, who began his career with the Kings in 1994-95 and returned in September of 2008. “And if you are going to get sat out you want to get sat out kicking and screaming — but in a professional way.”

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Still our defense is looking great in my eyes.

When Carle was on, Pronger-Carle was unstoppable.
When Coburn was on, Coburn-Timonen was unstoppable.
Now you still have Meszaros and O'Donnell/Bartulis in here...amazing that such a strong defense has an amazing offense in front.

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A couple of weeks ago, one of the L.A. Times writers talked to Lombardi about bringing back OD.

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Must've promised him a lot of minutes.

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Yeah, why would you try to develop a prospect when you can bring in a 39 year-old right?
Wow didn't even see his age. Ok, starting to disagree with this.

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Ellis to Tampa

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Still our defense is looking great in my eyes.

When Carle was on, Pronger-Carle was unstoppable.
When Coburn was on, Coburn-Timonen was unstoppable.
Now you still have Meszaros and O'Donnell/Bartulis in here...amazing that such a strong defense has an amazing offense in front.
Doesn't matter if your 3rd line C is either Giroux (on pace for a -30 at C last year) or Briere (-22 in his last full season at C) and Michael ****ing Leighton is your starter.

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I don't mind O'Donnell if we are moving Carle.

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Doesn't matter if your 3rd line C is either Giroux (on pace for a -30 at C last year) or Briere (-22 in his last full season at C) and Michael ****ing Leighton is your starter.
Man you REALLY have this notion in your head that Giroux is a terrible defensive center. They guy played with crap wingers. He gets PK time for a reason, the kid is smart and can play D. His only issue is a lack of size.

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Yeah, why would you try to develop a prospect when you can bring in a 39 year-old right?
Tells you how much faith they have in their supposed stud phantoms defenseman. Guess they think none are even clsoe to ready lol. This is another move that doesnt need to be made. Guys like this are available anytime.

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1 mill works. But either someone is on their way out, or we are def not signing a goalie.

O'Donnell was 4th in TOI amongst d-men for LAK last year. He spent an equal amount of time with Matt Greene and Jack Johnson...most of his time split between those two. Also spent a significant amount of time playing with Doughty.

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Man you REALLY have this notion in your head that Giroux is a terrible defensive center. They guy played with crap wingers. He gets PK time for a reason, the kid is smart and can play D. His only issue is a lack of size.
Being a good PKer has ****ing NOTHING to do with ES defensive play.

He can play D great on wing, not at C, how many missed assignments in front of the net is it going to take?

And btw, lack of size is a pretty ****ing significant issue, how many 5'11, 175 lb guys play C in this league?

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Man you REALLY have this notion in your head that Giroux is a terrible defensive center. They guy played with crap wingers. He gets PK time for a reason, the kid is smart and can play D. His only issue is a lack of size.
PK has nothing to do with even strength D. RJ Umberger was a fantastic PKer for us and complete **** defensively at even strength.

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Being a good PKer has ****ing NOTHING to do with ES defensive play.

He can play D great on wing, not at C, how many missed assignments in front of the net is it going to take?

And btw, lack of size is a pretty ****ing significant issue, how many 5'11, 175 lb guys play C in this league?
We've had this argument countless times. You invent these missed assignments. I've taken the time to post YT vids and point out failed assignments for people OTHER than Giroux that somehow you manage to pin on him. Giroux's defensive game is on par with Carter's.

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Doesn't matter if your 3rd line C is either Giroux (on pace for a -30 at C last year) or Briere (-22 in his last full season at C) and Michael ****ing Leighton is your starter.
For someone like Giroux, faceoffs can be practiced and taught. Briere, by this point you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

As for Leighton, I always say a goalie is only as good as his defense. The defense was the main reason the Flyers made it to the Cup Finals. They set it up in most games that any shot on net Leighton could line up for, and Leighton does have good vision in my eyes. So why not focus on defense?

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Giroux has decent defensive instincts, but he isn't a good defensive player yet. He will be eventually I think.

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PK has nothing to do with even strength D. RJ Umberger was a fantastic PKer for us and complete **** defensively at even strength.
Valid, but I don't think Giroux is any worse at ES than he is on the PK.

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I like him but we need a goalie.

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Valid, but I don't think Giroux is any worse at ES than he is on the PK.
He's not a strong defensive center... which isn't a shock because he didn't even grow up playing center. He also has some problems with guys physically... though he's very strong along the boards, so that helps some.

However, Giroux's a contributing factor to his lines defensive problems... it isn't just his wings (and JVR certainly can improve in that area as well).

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Valid, but I don't think Giroux is any worse at ES than he is on the PK.
And all the numbers prove you wrong.

I mean seriously, make me a list of Cs in the NHL that are 5'11, 175 or smaller.

I'd guarantee you that it's less than 5-10 Cs that are defensively strong.

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