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07-01-2010, 06:05 PM
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I have a feeling as tghe Dmen all go that Rozsival holds value and will be moved

To LA?

Then we sign a cheaper Dman and some cash for Frolov?

Kovalchuk is a dream but what do I know. Atleast it would mean Redden is gondie

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There is plenty of cap space to sign Kovalchuk.
If you add in Prospal, just salary, not bonuses, that leaves $7.6M, which MIGHT be enough for Staal and Girardi.

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07-01-2010, 06:23 PM
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If you add in Prospal, just salary, not bonuses, that leaves $7.6M, which MIGHT be enough for Staal and Girardi.
You're still including Voros, Brashear, and Redden for some reason.

They won't be on this team if we sign Kovalchuk.

You get him signed and then worry about it later.

OR... We can waste the prime years of Gaborik's and Lundqvist's careers.

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07-01-2010, 06:56 PM
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You're still including Voros, Brashear, and Redden for some reason.

They won't be on this team if we sign Kovalchuk.

You get him signed and then worry about it later.

OR... We can waste the prime years of Gaborik's and Lundqvist's careers.
You can't not include Brashear unless you trade him.

Someone making some salary is going to have to fill out the roster. It may not be Voros, but how much can really expect to save at the position?

"get him signed and then worry about it later"? Seriously?

You and I are WORLDS apart in terms of what we think this team needs to get on a path to success.

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You're still including Voros, Brashear, and Redden for some reason.

They won't be on this team if we sign Kovalchuk.

You get him signed and then worry about it later.

OR... We can waste the prime years of Gaborik's and Lundqvist's careers.
That sounds like what Sather's been doing for years. How's that worked out so far?

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Only way to get Kovy at this point is to massive front load a deal, coming out to maybe 6.5 mil.

I think Sather recognizes that players like Frolov are more seriously in play.

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so at this pt the depth chart looks like much of the same

Dubinsky, Christiensen, Gaborik
Prospal, Anisimov, MZA
Avery, Drury, Callahan
Boogaard, Boyle, Prust
Weise, Byers

They have to waive Voros to Hartford already but he may stick and sit

Staal, Girardi
Del Zotto, Rozsival
McDonaugh, Gilroy

Dump Redden. Sign Strudwick or trade Brashear for a Witt

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AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
* Kovalchuk, Ilya ($8.000m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m)
Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Derek Boogaard ($1.650m)
Donald Brashear ($1.400m) / Erik Christensen ($0.975m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m)
* Brandon Prust ($0.700m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Michal Rozsival ($5.000m) / * Marc Staal ($3.500m)
* Daniel Girardi ($2.750m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Pavel Valentenko ($0.850m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $61.247m; CAP ROOM: $0.581m BONUSES: $2.428m

Due to the fact that bonuses roll over the above works (note Valentenko in place of where Sangs used to be). Kovy now down to $8MM per year. Of course, it also includes Boyle and Prust who could be eliminated to make a little more room.

Not saying it will happen, just figuring out the best offer we could make with the current team.

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07-01-2010, 08:41 PM
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You're still including Voros, Brashear, and Redden for some reason.

They won't be on this team if we sign Kovalchuk.

You get him signed and then worry about it later.

OR... We can waste the prime years of Gaborik's and Lundqvist's careers.
You have to include Redden until he can be waived.

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07-02-2010, 07:02 AM
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The Rangers, who were approximately $17 million under the summer cap going into yesterday's opening of the free-agent market, committed an aggregate $4.45M of 2010-11 space to Derek Boogaard ($1.65M), Vinny Prospal ($1M, plus approximately $1M in deferrable bonuses) Erik Christensen ($925,000) and Martin Biron ($875,000).

This leaves GM Glen Sather and the Blueshirts in the neighborhood of $12.55M with which to sign restricted free-agent defensemen Marc Staal and Dan Girardi -- the defense pair will likely command between $7.5M-8M, depending on the length of their deals -- and Group II winger Brandon Prust before addressing other issues.

The summer cap, which remains in effect through the end of training camp, is 10 percent higher than the season ceiling of $59.4M. All one-way contracts in the organization count under the summer cap. Players who might be waived won't come off the cap until camp ends. And Donald Brashear's $1.4M will remain on the cap unless the Blueshirts can somehow trade him.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz0sWP6usoR

Say it again Larry

Players who might be waived won't come off the cap until camp ends

Maybe some people need to write it on the palm of their hand like Sarah Palin so they don't forget.

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07-02-2010, 07:16 AM
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So, if we assume Staal+Girardi will make 7.5 mil, we have roughly 4 million to play with for a 2nd line LW.

If those numbers are correct.

I doubt Sather hangs on to cap space, he never does.

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So, if we assume Staal+Girardi will make 7.5 mil, we have roughly 4 million to play with for a 2nd line LW.

If those numbers are correct.

I doubt Sather hangs on to cap space, he never does.
Sather has never gone to the upper limit of the summer cap which is where the Rangers are headed.

They better get Staal signed ASAP or not signing any players. They don't want to be sitting there with just $4 million of cap space to sign Staal and some team throws an offer sheet at them for $5 million which the Rangers wont to be able to match without shedding salary in another deal.

My spreadsheet has them with slightly under $10 million of cap space using the $65.34 million summer cap with the 10% bump. That includes the QO offers to Girardi,Staal and Prust. Includes the one way money for players with 2 way contracts. Plus Rissmiller's $1 million. $55,365,929. $9.97 million in space with the $65.34 upper limit.

Girardi and Prust are arbitration eligible and the filing deadline is this Monday July 5.

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07-02-2010, 07:50 AM
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So, if we assume Staal+Girardi will make 7.5 mil, we have roughly 4 million to play with for a 2nd line LW.

If those numbers are correct.

I doubt Sather hangs on to cap space, he never does.
Do you think the Rangers are going to have Prospal as the second line LW or Center? Or can he play RW, as well? I'm guessing Anisimov will be centering the second line. I think the Rangers may need a second line RW:

Dubinsky - Christiansen - Gaborik
Prospal - Anisimov - Callahan/MZA/????
Avery - Drury - Callahan/MZA
Boogieman - Boyle - Prust

If the Rangers sign another winger, whether it be Frolov, Kovlachuk, or anyone, I think that means MZA and his $1.75 million ($900K hard cap hit), will be in the AHL. That is unless Sather doesn't intend to have Boogieman in the line-up every game (Which is something Zipay mentioned in his blog last night), then Avery moves to the fourth line and MZA moves to that third line LW spot. If the Rangers signed Boogie to a cap hit of $1.65 million and he doesn't intend to play him every game, i'd be more pissed then I was yesterday when they signed him.

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I think MZA will have to win his spot on wing, rather than having it be awarded to him. Whether that means beating out Bill Guerin, Frolov, or even Ryan Callahan, I dont think management has him "slotted" into that position.

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So, if we assume Staal+Girardi will make 7.5 mil, we have roughly 4 million to play with for a 2nd line LW.

If those numbers are correct.

I doubt Sather hangs on to cap space, he never does.
Yea looks like there is room for one more signing and to be honest they need someone that can score. I would take a flyer on Frolov as he's still young and may click with Anisimov or even Gaborik

As long as they have enough for Prust, Staal, Girardi

Waiving Redden has to occur and somehow getting rid of Brashear does too. (just go to the KHL for a yr Huggy Bear )

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If the Rangers brass think they need to add another scoring winger, and Kovalchuk is not an option, I would not be opposed to Frolov on a one or two year deal with a cap hit around $3 to $3.5 million. Don't want him for any more then that. I think he's a bit off on his $4.5 million request. Sign for a little bit less, have a great year, then get your big contract.

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My spreadsheet has them with slightly under $10 million of cap space using the $65.34 million summer cap with the 10% bump.
So do we have 4mil or slightly under 10mil for another scorer?

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So do we have 4mil or slightly under 10mil for another scorer?
We really don't have much money at all. Check out the first post. We have about 8.6 mil to re-sign Staal, Girardi and Prust. That should be enough, but won't leave any space for anything else. The only way we have any money for another UFA would be if we are going to send Redden down at the end of camp.

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Re-did the numbers for the cap numbers for the players on two way contracts who played in the NHL last season. Using the same days on the roster(from 09-10) with the 186 day 2010-11 NHL season,its an increase $10,499 in commitments. $9,963,572 in cap room.

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Prust received $800,000. $222,500 increase from his $577,500 QO.

$9,741,072 summer cap space

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So many questions heading into this upcoing season......

things seem to be getting rather tight, especially with the Prust signing as well the possible signing of McD. We'll need approx. 6 million to sign Girardi and Staal. Voros and Boyle...Hartford bound??? That'll free up an additional 1.5 million. is there still room for guys like Weise and Grachev if they happen have a really good training camp?

Is there a chance the Islanders would take Brashear off our hands since they are still 9 million from the cap floor???

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So many questions heading into this upcoing season......

things seem to be getting rather tight, especially with the Prust signing as well the possible signing of McD. We'll need approx. 6 million to sign Girardi and Staal. Voros and Boyle...Hartford bound??? That'll free up an additional 1.5 million. is there still room for guys like Weise and Grachev if they happen have a really good training camp?

Is there a chance the Islanders would take Brashear off our hands since they are still 9 million from the cap floor???
Boyle is cheap and I think Torts would use him as the 4th line C or 13th F. Plus he is young and can PK

Voros just has to go to the minors al year, no exuses , team guy and twitter, whatever,haha

So who on paper is the 4th line C then, Prust?

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So many questions heading into this upcoing season......

things seem to be getting rather tight, especially with the Prust signing as well the possible signing of McD. We'll need approx. 6 million to sign Girardi and Staal. Voros and Boyle...Hartford bound??? That'll free up an additional 1.5 million. is there still room for guys like Weise and Grachev if they happen have a really good training camp?

Is there a chance the Islanders would take Brashear off our hands since they are still 9 million from the cap floor???
I don't think boyle will be hartford bound. Torts likes him, he is cheap, a big body and kills penalties. If Stepan impresses during camp and earns a spot thats when things get weird, because I don't want stepan getting 4th line minutes. Will drury become the most expensive 4th line center and stepan become our 3rd line center?

Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik
Prospal-Anisimov-MZA
Avery-Stepan-Callahan
Boogard-Drury-Prust

Sc: Weise, Boyle

only 2 things i see with that lineup that may need to be adjusted is Anisimov is no longer playing with bangers, Prospal will do some board work, but Artie has stated he likes playing with guys who do the dirty work and watch his back. I could see dubinsky on that line with Prospal going on that top line. Or possibly Avery gets flipped with Prospal.

as for the 4th line I expect Weise to see a lot of action and Boogard may not be an everyday player.

as far as the Brash to Isles, I would offer Brashear and a 6th in the 2012 draft (since we traded our 6th for Jody Shelley. It helps them and helps us, not sure they take that. Giving them anything higher than a 6th is an overpayment IMO.

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anybody have any ideas how glen will deal with brash? He doesnt want him anywhere near this team, but nobody else seems to want him either.

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anybody have any ideas how glen will deal with brash? He doesnt want him anywhere near this team, but nobody else seems to want him either.
Probably trade him for a NHL player that has a larger salary then his, but is under 35 years old. Then that player can be placed in the minors without an impact on the NHL salary cap.

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