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07-01-2010, 09:00 PM
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The Canucks had the highest scoring defense in the NHL last year - I don't think they're too worried about Hamhuis' underwhelming offensive game.

Keep in mind Dan Hamhuis led the Nashville defense with 23 points at even strength. Not bad for a one dimensional defensive player. That's certainly well above average in terms of point production 5 on 5 for dmen.

Nashville didn't need Hamhuis, nor could they afford him. The Canucks did need him and could afford him. That's all there is to it.
Valid point that both sides should concede and move on.

Time will tell if Vancouvers money was well spent or not. if it is, it doesnt hurt us that much, and if it isnt, a conference foe just wasted a lot of cash...

But regardless, he was not staying here when someone else was offering him that much.

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Your GM just paid 4.5 mil for a player that doesn't even collect points on an every other game basis
he will on the second most highest scoring team in the nhl

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he will on the second most highest scoring team in the nhl
invalid logic. if the only reason his point total will rise is because he happens to be on the ice with high scorers then why not sign a league minimum guy to just happen to be on the ice with high scoring forwards and save the cash?

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07-01-2010, 09:11 PM
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Let's see... Weber 4.5. Suter 3.5. Hamhuis 4.5

Poile isn't too bad
RFA contracts signed before a player really established themselves don't really count. Once those run out you're probably looking at an extra $2M for each. But yes I agree Poile is an awesome GM, though that really shouldn't be related to the Canucks signing of Hamhuis.

As for the Canucks paying 4.5M for Hamhuis, we've never had a problem paying guys like Salo or Mitchell 3.5M as UFA's, both who were signed under a lower cap ceiling as well as an older UFA age. Personally before the signing I would've said he's a $4M guy, so having to go through the UFA market an extra $500K isn't bad.

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invalid logic. if the only reason his point total will rise is because he happens to be on the ice with high scorers then why not sign a league minimum guy to just happen to be on the ice with high scoring forwards and save the cash?
I aint saying hamhuis is going to be a god in vancouver, just think his production will go up, and hopefully continue to play well defensively.

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he will on the second most highest scoring team in the nhl
When the Preds were the 5th highest scoring team in 06-07, Hamhuis had 20 points.

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All of this stuff about Hamhuis not getting points is irrelevant. Canucks don't want him for his offense. Our D was the highest scoring D in the entire NHL last year. We have Ehrhoff, Edler, Salo, and now Ballard to do that stuff.

What we need Hamhuis for is in a shutdown defensive role..... playing against other team's top players and killing penalties. Any points he puts up is just a bonus. That's why Hamhuis is worth $4.5m to us and more.... when maybe you have a legit argument he may not be worth that much with NAS or some other team. To VAN, Hamhuis is more valuable than say Gonchar. We have enough offensive d-men.

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All of this stuff about Hamhuis not getting points is irrelevant. Canucks don't want him for his offense. Our D was the highest scoring D in the entire NHL last year. We have Ehrhoff, Edler, Salo, and now Ballard to do that stuff.

What we need Hamhuis for is in a shutdown defensive role..... playing against other team's top players and killing penalties. Any points he puts up is just a bonus. That's why Hamhuis is worth $4.5m to us and more.... when maybe you have a legit argument he may not be worth that much with NAS or some other team. To VAN, Hamhuis is more valuable than say Gonchar. We have enough offensive d-men.
In that type of role (which is how he was used here some) Hamhuis is good.

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07-01-2010, 09:38 PM
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don't be that guy...


Hamhuis didn't put up the numbers when we were loaded with offense either and he was on the first pairing with Kimmo then.

Besides, Nashville's lack of talent up front hasn't stopped Weber or Suter from putting up good numbers.
I'm going to have to be that guy again. The year you're talking about he put up 38 points and it was his 2nd year in the league. He was mostly used in a defensive role after that. This year at ES he outscored Suter and tied Weber. Of course they'll put up more points with all the power play time.

I'm not saying he's going to be an offensive dynamo now, but he won't be a 20 point guy anymore.

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you didn't sign him for his offense don't expect him to be and offensive defenseman. If he gives you 10 goals be excited.

Also, there's a reason he wasn't on the powerplay, he's not as good as Suter, Weber, Franson or Klein on the powerplay.

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07-02-2010, 12:31 PM
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When I asked here earlier what he was worth, the number that came up consistently was $4.25M. Given that he was offered more by other teams, is it really that big a deal to spend $250,000 more than was his perceived value? Since he could have gotten more money from a few other teams (likely around $5 million as many on this forum predicted he'd get), we by definition got him at less than market value.

Second, as has been correctly pointed out, he's a solid #3 defenseman with the potential to push for #2 time, eats up minutes and is mobile and durable. EXACTLY what we were looking for, so he meets our needs to a T.

It's true we don't have the #1 defenseman that you guys have 2 of , but we do have arguably one of the deepest defenses in the league, so not as top heavy, but ridiculously deep:

Ballard
Hamhuis
Erhoff
Edler
Salo
Bieksa (he'll be dumped, and we can likely get some nice assets in return)
Alberts
Rome
O'Brien (RFA, we've qualified, not sure what to do with him)
Mitchell (UFA, we're not likely to keep him, but he's stated publicly he wants to stay)

And our GM like yours has been trolling Europe, colleges and the minors, signing up project UFA's to stock up our pipeline.

I'm not too upset, and we can deal with not having the #1 defenseman by having 5 x #2 defensemen, plus the Hart Trophy winner (he comes with a Twin!), a two-time running Selke nominee in Kesler, a plethora of twenty/thirty goal scorers with both the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Raymond and Samuelsson reliable for those numbers (with some promising offensive prospects like Schroeder and Hodgson knocking on the door), a stronger third-line with Malholtra, and of course Luongo, backed up by a goalie many have stated has been the best outside of the NHL in Cory Schneider.

And the Aquilini family has been shown to be willing to bury millions of dollars in the minors so that we can hide them from the cap and pull them up come playoff time, so I'm having a good week.

Hamhuis was the perfect fit for our needs, and given what other teams were willing to pay him, I'm grateful we got him for ONLY $4.5 million, in today's UFA market, that doesn't buy you much.

My point is, we're not counting on Hamhuis to carry us to the Cup, we're hoping he holds his own against solid opposition, and he proved that in spades with you guys.


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Let's see... Weber 4.5. Suter 3.5. Hamhuis 4.5

Poile isn't too bad
Poile is a solid GM and you're lucky to have him, but this comparison is bunk.

Your two guys were RFA's and under those circumstances you signed Hamhuis at $2.5M, when Suter and Weber face UFA status, then compare the numbers. The fact that Gillis got Hamhuis to sign for less than what other teams were willing to pay, got Ballard for spare parts, got our top forward target in Malhotra, and locked up the Sedin Twins and Luongo to below-market/cap friendly deals last year and Kesler to a long-term good value deal this year, and got thirty goals out of his $2.5 million Samuelsson signing, I don't think Gillis can be pointed to as a bad GM.

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