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07-01-2010, 09:28 PM
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Nah, the USD will collapse, the CAD will go to 1.20 and HRR will skyrocket. ;-)
Yep, collapsing along with the euro and Canada and the CAD will reign supreme.

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Wow, this salary situation leaves me baffled. Is there no thought to the following season? I just don't get it, and I don't like the "Who cares about the future salary cap, all we care about is this year!" mentality of the Flyers.

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We are currently over the salary cap, so I propose trading Carle and Boucher for picks and signing Turco/Nabakov for $3.

Then re-sign Carcillo and Powe for $1.8 total and bam, you upgraded your D with Meszaros and O'Donnell over Carle and Krajicek, you upgraded your enforcer with Shelley over Cote, you sacrifice Arron Asham, and you upgrade in net from Leight/Boosh to Turco/Nabokov and Leighton. Plus you acquire picks or prospects for Carle (there is a market for defenders right now, and we can sell high on Carle).

However, this makes too much sense, so it will not happen.

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We are currently over the salary cap, so I propose trading Carle and Boucher for picks and signing Turco/Nabakov for $3.

Then re-sign Carcillo and Powe for $1.8 total and bam, you upgraded your D with Meszaros and O'Donnell over Carle and Krajicek, you upgraded your enforcer with Shelley over Cote, you sacrifice Arron Asham, and you upgrade in net from Leight/Boosh to Turco/Nabokov and Leighton. Plus you acquire picks or prospects for Carle (there is a market for defenders right now, and we can sell high on Carle).

However, this makes too much sense, so it will not happen.






Agree with this entire post. Carle makes much more sense to move than Gags.

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07-02-2010, 08:57 PM
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We actually aren't over the cap, because the CBA was extended so the bonus cushion is back.

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07-02-2010, 09:05 PM
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We actually aren't over the cap, because the CBA was extended so the bonus cushion is back.
NOT INCLUDING JVR'S BONUS, we have 720k for 2 empty forward spots (12th and 13th forward).

(Assuming Cote is gone).

That is over the cap unless they plan on a 21 man roster with only a 7th d-man.

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07-02-2010, 09:10 PM
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Your math is odd.

Here's what capgeek has:

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Riley Cote ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Sean O'Donnell ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.460m; CAP ROOM: $0.578m BONUSES: $0.637m

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07-02-2010, 09:12 PM
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My guess is we actually run with 20 and call up players as needed (Bartulis and Nodl?)

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07-02-2010, 09:22 PM
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Your math is odd.

Here's what capgeek has:

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m)
Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Riley Cote ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Sean O'Donnell ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.460m; CAP ROOM: $0.578m BONUSES: $0.637m
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My guess is we actually run with 20 and call up players as needed (Bartulis and Nodl?)
First off, your numbers include Cote. Cote will be gone. No matter who you replace him with, the cap hit will increase. (I say him as a roster spot, not in terms of the enforcers role)

Second, we should NOT force ourselves to run with 21 due to day-to-day injuries. If Powe signed for 800k and Carcillo for 1mill, we have no way of fitting those deals in.

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07-02-2010, 09:28 PM
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First off, your numbers include Cote. Cote will be gone. No matter who you replace him with, the cap hit will increase. (I say him as a roster spot, not in terms of the enforcers role)

Second, we should NOT force ourselves to run with 21 due to day-to-day injuries. If Powe signed for 800k and Carcillo for 1mill, we have no way of fitting those deals in.
Carcillo is gone. Shelley replaced him. Powe could replace Cote, and we still are under the cap. The Flyers aren't going to carry 13 forwards to start the season.

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07-02-2010, 10:44 PM
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Carcillo is gone. Shelley replaced him. Powe could replace Cote, and we still are under the cap. The Flyers aren't going to carry 13 forwards to start the season.
Yes they are. They would be stupid not to. If a forward has a day-to-day injury (i.e., not severe enough to IR), then what do we do? We have to call someone up, but we can't if we're up against the cap with 12 forwards.

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07-02-2010, 10:52 PM
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Yes they are. They would be stupid not to. If a forward has a day-to-day injury (i.e., not severe enough to IR), then what do we do? We have to call someone up, but we can't if we're up against the cap with 12 forwards.
Just stick Bartulis on a scoring line. No biggie.

edit: I don't really need to add the , do I?

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07-02-2010, 11:07 PM
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Yes they are. They would be stupid not to. If a forward has a day-to-day injury (i.e., not severe enough to IR), then what do we do? We have to call someone up, but we can't if we're up against the cap with 12 forwards.
Send the 7th defenseman down and bring a forward up. You only have to do that for a couple of months to 'save up' enough cap room to call up the 22nd player.

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Send the 7th defenseman down and bring a forward up. You only have to do that for a couple of months to 'save up' enough cap room to call up the 22nd player.
The next problem is that players can only be called up and sent down so much before requiring to be put on waivers.

The Flyers need to carry 22 players. Carrying 21 is stupid and a complete mismanagement of the cap.

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The next problem is that players can only be called up and sent down so much before requiring to be put on waivers.

The Flyers need to carry 22 players. Carrying 21 is stupid and a complete mismanagement of the cap.
Not true. That is service time based. Guys that are waiver exempt are like that no matter how many times we call them up.

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07-03-2010, 08:03 AM
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The next problem is that players can only be called up and sent down so much before requiring to be put on waivers.

The Flyers need to carry 22 players. Carrying 21 is stupid and a complete mismanagement of the cap.
ya, thats wrong

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Send the 7th defenseman down and bring a forward up. You only have to do that for a couple of months to 'save up' enough cap room to call up the 22nd player.
I believe this is wrong also. The cap is calculated daily.

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The cap is indeed calculated daily.


Think of it this way.

Assume there are 180 days in the regular season for calculation simplicity.

There are five 'accounts' you have to consider this year

1) Current Roster Cap - the total cap hit of all the players on the active roster and LTIR

2) Paid Cap - This starts at $0 before the regular season, and each day you add 1/180 of the current roster cap.

3) Bonus Earned - This starts at $0 before the regular season. If a bonus is earned, you add it to this account immediately and in full.

4) Current LTIR Cap - This has the cap hit of all the players on LTIR.

5) Earned LTIR Savings - This starts at $0 at the beginning of the regular season. Each day, you do the following calculation:

(Paid Cap + Current Roster Cap) - Cap Amount. If this is positive, you are over the cap, so you can earn LTIR savings in the amount of:

([Paid Cap + Current Roster Cap] - Cap Amount) * 1/180 ... obviously these savings can't be higher than Current LTIR Cap / 180, that's all that's available to you on LTIR.


Each day the following calculations are made:

1) Paid Cap + Current Roster Cap * (days remaining/180) - Earned LTIR Savings must be below the cap.

2) Paid Cap + Current Roster Cap * (days remaining/180) - Earned LTIR Savings + Bonus Earned must be less than 1.075 * cap.

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So, if you keep your paid cap low enough for a few months, your 'cap hit' of your roster can go up at the end of the season.

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So, if you keep your paid cap low enough for a few months, your 'cap hit' of your roster can go up at the end of the season.
But if it's just Oskars Bartulis and his 600k hit that's coming off every time, we'll have a hard time accumulating any real space. If we actually have real cap space everyday though we could build up "space" for the end of the season. I can virtually guarantee this season will start with 13 forwards.

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So, if you keep your paid cap low enough for a few months, your 'cap hit' of your roster can go up at the end of the season.
Can't bonuses be delayed until the following season?

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Can't bonuses be delayed until the following season?
You are allowed to go 7.5% over the cap due to bonuses (in years with the bonus cushion -- 2010-11 has a cushion, 2011-12 will not unless the CBA is extended early), with the overage being a penalty against next season. But if it can fit into this years cap, it does.

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So, if you keep your paid cap low enough for a few months, your 'cap hit' of your roster can go up at the end of the season.
While true, you can't count on that. One injury and a stint on the IR and the daily extra space gets eaten by LTIR.

There is absolutely NO REASON this steam should go into the season with 21 players and cap space in the 120k area.

It is irresponsible and will cause HUGE problems.

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Waivers is service time based, my bad.



We have a few players who are waiver eligible, but say Briere and Timonen are day-to-day.

What are our options?

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So are we over the cap right now? Kinda lost on that situation.

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