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07-03-2010, 02:51 PM
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For what it's worth, Eklund says Flyers are not in on Kovalchuk.

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07-03-2010, 03:02 PM
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Dream-line. Please make it happen.
I don't think there's any way we can trade for Ryan without one of Giroux or JVR going back the other way. Also, what kind of contract is Ryan looking for?

I don't normally do trade proposals, but...

Gagne, Carle, JVR for Ryan and...who? Could we get another roster player? If so, I say go for Wisniewski, he'd be an immediate fan favorite here and can log big minutes. If we can't get another roster player, then try to get Sbisa and another top-tier prospect back. Yay or nay?

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07-03-2010, 03:15 PM
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Wow, so let me get this straight....

we're getting Brown, Bernier, Johnson, Kopitar, Kovalchuk and Ryan all for Simon Gagne?!?

Homer says **** all y'all!!!




Is there a team nicknamed Flyers in the KHL?? Just curious to where that craziness started.

I can't wait until we get none of the players bandied about this weekend!!

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I want no part of Kovalchuk or his contract

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I don't think there's any way we can trade for Ryan without one of Giroux or JVR going back the other way. Also, what kind of contract is Ryan looking for?

I don't normally do trade proposals, but...

Gagne, Carle, JVR for Ryan and...who? Could we get another roster player? If so, I say go for Wisniewski, he'd be an immediate fan favorite here and can log big minutes. If we can't get another roster player, then try to get Sbisa and another top-tier prospect back. Yay or nay?
Holy overpayment Batman.

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07-03-2010, 03:58 PM
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ryan for carter = salary wash

moves an extra center for a much needed RIGHT wing

and i bet ryan scores more goals than carter next year

the thought of jvr-giroux-ryan for the next 15 years makes my privates tingle

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07-03-2010, 04:00 PM
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ryan for carter = salary wash

moves an extra center for a much needed RIGHT wing

and i bet ryan scores more goals than carter next year


the thought of jvr-giroux-ryan for the next 15 years makes my privates tingle
If both guys stay where they are, I'll take that bet.

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07-03-2010, 04:01 PM
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Holy overpayment Batman.
This is Paul Holmgren we're talking about, first off. Secondly, that would also clear enough room to sign Turco. Thirdly, the fact that Flyers fans might see this as overpayment probably means the value is pretty close.

Seeing as how Gagne's as good as gone and his contract is up after this season, the trade is more Carle and JVR for Ryan and something else. I think Bobby Ryan has a higher ceiling than JVR (and is only 2 years old), and trading Carle now while his value is at its highest wouldn't be such a terrible idea, especially because Meszaros was brought in and could replace him. If we can get Wisniewski or two of the Ducks' top prospects in addition to Ryan, such a trade would be far from overpayment on our part.

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For what it's worth, Eklund says Flyers are not in on Kovalchuk.
guess thats means we are the front runners

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07-03-2010, 04:45 PM
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I wanna puke because this team can be completely different then the team that came back from a 3-0 series and a game 7 3-0 deficit, which leads us to 6 games of the SCF!

These possible moves will tear the heart out of this team.

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guess thats means we are the front runners
Homer probably locked Kovy up to a long term deal

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For what it's worth, Eklund says Flyers are not in on Kovalchuk.
Good news.

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I think he has a better chance playing for the Dayton Flyers.

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This is Paul Holmgren we're talking about, first off. Secondly, that would also clear enough room to sign Turco. Thirdly, the fact that Flyers fans might see this as overpayment probably means the value is pretty close.

Seeing as how Gagne's as good as gone and his contract is up after this season, the trade is more Carle and JVR for Ryan and something else. I think Bobby Ryan has a higher ceiling than JVR (and is only 2 years old), and trading Carle now while his value is at its highest wouldn't be such a terrible idea, especially because Meszaros was brought in and could replace him. If we can get Wisniewski or two of the Ducks' top prospects in addition to Ryan, such a trade would be far from overpayment on our part.
Completely disagree with you here. At JVR's age, Ryan was still in the AHL. I mean, JVR just completed his 20 year-old season. Ryan played his 20 year season in the AHL. JVR had to adjust to a longer schedule, largely played with a C who was defensively awful, did not get much PP time, and still put up a respectable point total.

Even big scorers put up a third of their points on the PP. So by that rationale, JVR could well have finished with around 50 points if he had gotten bigger PP time. Plus, break down the ES numbers.

Flyers ES point leaders at F.

Carter - 37
Briere - 36
Hartnell - 30
Richards - 29
JVR - 28
Giroux - 26

So basically, JVR was 5th among our forwards in ES points (and only had 1 less than Richards) even though he played 3rd line minutes primarily with Giroux (who I don't think should be a C) and Asham (good, but not an offensive dynamo). Then you also have to consider that Hartnell was riding Carter's and Briere's coat-tails, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that JVR was our 4th best ES forward this season (and the advanced stats do back me up on this one).

Considering he's still bulking up, hit the wall about halfway through the season, and has an insane skillset, there's no way I'm trading him right now, particularly for a guy who's been a professional player for 3 years and couldn't crack 65 points in his 3rd year.

I like Ryan, but to me it's telling that Carter got snakebit for a lot of this year, missed time, played with a horrible linemate, and still finished with only 2 goals less than Ryan did.

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I trust Euroflyers when he says we're in it, but it's hard to fathom until it's done.

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1 year at $6 is "in" it, but not really a good offer.

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Maybe he will pull a Hosaa and come here for 1 year

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Good news.
Ahh not so fast, he changed his mind.

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Eklund: Some i trust are now saying the Flyers and Avalanche are in the Kovalchuk race.
Some I trust are now saying Eklund's sources are a Zoltar machine and this guy:


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They'll get better offers than that and also, we can't give them Hartnell and still afford to pay Ryan.

I mean, Ryan wants more than 5 mill per year, let's pretend he wants 5.75.

Option A: A 5.75 million winger who scored 35 goals and 64 points this past year.

Option B: A 5.0 million center who scored 33 goals last year and 61 points last year despite missing 8 games and being ridiculously snakebitten. Also is strong defensively and is his team's best FO guy.

I mean, how is that even a debate?
You're not being objective here.

1. Carter has 1 more year at 5M, then what will he cost? Probably more than 5M.

2. Carter plays a position that the Flyers are deep at. Ryan plays a position the Flyers are weak at.

3. Snakebitten, what is that? Can I say that Leighton is an elite goalie who was snakebitten in the SCF. Snakebitten just another, nicer way of saying not getting the job done.

Personally, I'm not trading Carter because we need him to be able to matchup defensively against the bigger centers around the league and going with Richards, Briere and Giroux down the middle is a little too small for my liking. But salary will favor Carter this year and then Ryan for the next 3-4 or however long he signs, and scoring production will probably be pretty similar.

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Some I trust are now saying Eklund's sources are a Zoltar machine and this guy:

So Eklund is getting his information directly from Paul Holmgren?

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If this happens I am officially done with this team

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It all comes down to if Gags gets traded becayse regardless of how much we free up by trading Gags, Kovy wants more than that. Kovy's only options are going to be (1) taking less to play on a team that is trying to win now, (2) getting as much money as he can by signing with a team who has tons of space but isn't ready to try for a Cup (like the Islanders), or (3) going over the KHL. He's a very good regular season player, but he hasn't produced in the playoffs and just by putting him on a good team it doesn't mean he'll be happy/productive and the entire team won't suffer. Even if he's willing to get paid 5 mil a season, the Flyers still won't have enough cap space to sign everyone else or find a goalie.

If the purpose to trade a player like Gagne is to get cap space for a goalie/general cap relief, it makes sense. If the purpose is to sign a player like Ryan, it makes sense even if we find ourselves trying to cut more space (plus supports what Homer has been saying about Leighton being "our guy"). If the purpose is to sign a player like Kovy, it makes no sense because it just puts us in a worse spot than before unless the cap hit is very similar and we can still get under cap/make the signings or trades we need to make.

So no matter how nice it would be ideally to get Kovy and have a happy productive team, it just doesn't make sense - so watch for it to happen.

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