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Blues - Bruins revisited (screwing the oilers edition)

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07-03-2010, 12:49 PM
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Blues - Bruins revisited (screwing the oilers edition)

Blues:
Ryder

Bruins:
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2nd/3rd

Both guys could use a change of scenery...blah, blah, blah.

It would make the oilers trying to dump Souray a lot more intesting, now that the waiver situation has played out.

Thoughts?

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07-03-2010, 01:00 PM
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Despite not be a bad proposal, we can't add more salary.

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07-03-2010, 01:15 PM
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Despite not be a bad proposal, we can't add more salary.
Ya even though Brewer only makes 250k more than Ryder and they both only have 1 year left you guys are in pretty tough with the cap...That 1.76M bonus carryover from last year sure doesnt help either...

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07-03-2010, 01:17 PM
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Blues:
Ryder

Bruins:
Brewer
2nd/3rd

Both guys could use a change of scenery...blah, blah, blah.

It would make the oilers trying to dump Souray a lot more intesting, now that the waiver situation has played out.

Thoughts?
How much time does Ryder have left on his current contract; Brewer only has a year on his, so if Ryder has more than that, it could be a deal-breaker.

Also, don't expect the Blues to "throw in" any draft picks; it'd have to be Brewer for Ryder straight up, or the Bruins adding a pick if Ryder's contract is of longer term than Brewer's.

The Bruins just got a good prospect from the Blues as it is (Warsofsky), and he's a local guy who should be a big hit in Boston.

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07-03-2010, 01:29 PM
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I'd take this in a heartbeat. Brewer is now your problem, not ours.

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07-03-2010, 01:36 PM
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How much time does Ryder have left on his current contract; Brewer only has a year on his, so if Ryder has more than that, it could be a deal-breaker.

Also, don't expect the Blues to "throw in" any draft picks; it'd have to be Brewer for Ryder straight up, or the Bruins adding a pick if Ryder's contract is of longer term than Brewer's.

The Bruins just got a good prospect from the Blues as it is (Warsofsky), and he's a local guy who should be a big hit in Boston.
I would be fine with it personally.

Ryder has 1 more year left.

Maybe if we got to chuck Hunwick in the deal and got a 2nd rounder back it would be even better.

Hunwick can replace Brewer (not as good, but cap hit is just over a million) so Boston can shed salary rather than take more on.

The 2nd rounder for Hunwick is more than fair as well, as it would be a mid 2nd I assume.

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07-03-2010, 01:40 PM
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I would be fine with it personally.

Ryder has 1 more year left.

Maybe if we got to chuck Hunwick in the deal and got a 2nd rounder back it would be even better.

Hunwick can replace Brewer (not as good, but cap hit is just over a million) so Boston can shed salary rather than take more on.

The 2nd rounder for Hunwick is more than fair as well, as it would be a mid 2nd I assume.
One year of Ryder, and Matt Hunwick, for one year of Brewer, and a second-round pick, would be a proposal that I'd listen to if I was Doug Armstrong...

What is the problem with Hunwick, where the Bruins' faithful are concerned?

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One year of Ryder, and Matt Hunwick, for one year of Brewer, and a second-round pick, would be a proposal that I'd listen to if I was Doug Armstrong...

What is the problem with Hunwick, where the Bruins' faithful are concerned?
Just he would be playing the 7th spot... he isn't physical enough.

Showed lots of promise 2 years ago, took a step back last year...

He is a good bottom pairing guy though, no real beef with Bruins fans other than the soft factor... but he is a decent puck mover.

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07-03-2010, 02:52 PM
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One year of Ryder, and Matt Hunwick, for one year of Brewer, and a second-round pick, would be a proposal that I'd listen to if I was Doug Armstrong...

What is the problem with Hunwick, where the Bruins' faithful are concerned?
Done.

The problem with Hunwick is his defense. He has the potential to be a great PMD, but he gets burnt a lot and isn't physical.

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The Bruins desperately need to dump salary, they can't deal Ryder and take on even more salary.

An our problem for your problem type of deal might work but it would have to give the Bruins at least a little cap space.

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07-03-2010, 03:04 PM
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DONE.

It's to the point where I will gladly take Ryder off Boston's hands. I'm begging them to trade him to us. I don't even care if we just trade a pick - we have enough cap space.

It doesn't sound like the Blues will sign a goal-scoring forward, and I want D'Agostini off the 3rd line as soon as possible. So, hopefully we make a trade.

At least Ryder has shown he can be a 20-30 goal scorer. Give him to us. We actually need him - it's better than what we have right now.

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07-03-2010, 03:12 PM
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This might be a win-win trade... Boston gets a dman (not exactly what they are looking for but i guess usable?), a draft pick, and gets rid of someone they got tired of. Blues gets rid of what they are tired of too. Kinda looks like the Wideman/Boyes trade a few years back.

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07-03-2010, 08:39 PM
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Just he would be playing the 7th spot... he isn't physical enough.

Showed lots of promise 2 years ago, took a step back last year...

He is a good bottom pairing guy though, no real beef with Bruins fans other than the soft factor... but he is a decent puck mover.
A decent puck mover is exactly what the Blues need... and at a cap hit one-third that of Brewer's, I'm down with acquiring Hunwick. Not so sure the Blues should give up a second-round pick for a guy who was originally a seventh-round pick, however...

How about:

To Boston:

Brewer
2011 fourth-round pick or 2012 third-round pick (Boston's choice)

To St. Louis:

Ryder
Hunwick

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A decent puck mover is exactly what the Blues need... and at a cap hit one-third that of Brewer's, I'm down with acquiring Hunwick. Not so sure the Blues should give up a second-round pick for a guy who was originally a seventh-round pick, however...

How about:

To Boston:

Brewer
2011 fourth-round pick or 2012 third-round pick (Boston's choice)

To St. Louis:

Ryder
Hunwick
This is a good proposal. I think there is a great deal to be made once again with an offensive defenseman from St.Louis and a 30 goal scorer from Boston who has fallen out of favor.

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07-03-2010, 10:07 PM
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The Blues aren't going to take on any extra salary. And not one costing us a draft pick to help the Bruins out with cap. One for one only.

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Yeah this completely screws the Oilers.

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Yeah this completely screws the Oilers.
Perhaps the OP can explain the screwing the Oilers angle. I'm most curious...

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Perhaps the OP can explain the screwing the Oilers angle. I'm most curious...
Rumor has it that Souray for Brewer is in the making

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Rumor has it that Souray for Brewer is in the making
So the screwing would be that the Oilers would not get Brewer? The horror!!

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So the screwing would be that the Oilers would not get Brewer? The horror!!
To be fair Brewer only has one year left and Souray has two, so that would not be nice but it's still tolerable. haha

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I don't think this is really a helpful trade for Boston. The biggest problem with Ryder is his cap hit... this trade wouldn't change that. And sending Ryder away leaves Boston with one fewer scoring option on a team that finished almost last in scoring last year. Unless Brewer is supposed to be some kind of game-changer for the Bruins, this deal is a lateral move and maybe a step backwards.

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I don't think this is really a helpful trade for Boston. The biggest problem with Ryder is his cap hit... this trade wouldn't change that. And sending Ryder away leaves Boston with one fewer scoring option on a team that finished almost last in scoring last year. Unless Brewer is supposed to be some kind of game-changer for the Bruins, this deal is a lateral move and maybe a step backwards.
I think the key here is to fill the hole in the Bruins backend (Wideman) but they probably want to fill that hole with an offensive dman (shhh not another kabs thread!!).

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07-03-2010, 11:30 PM
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So, after souray's cleared waivers, the options for the oil are: trade and take back someone else's salary dump (hopefully something at least a little smaller than souray's), take a considerably large salary dump to get rid of him, buy him out, or bring him through re-entry waivers...or keep him.

The first option is probably the best one (from an oilers standpoint), and REALLY the only two good options available there are ryder and brewer (if that's even available). So, taking both of hose players off the table, would kind of screw the oilers by removing the best two options for them in this situation.

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