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07-03-2010, 08:25 PM
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You do know re-entry is only 1/2 of the 1st year right? You still need to pay his full salary the 2nd year. That said, Burke might be the one to pick him up because 1/2 salary for Souray next year is quite a deal and Burke has first waiver rights in this case.
This is false. Re-entry means half to the waiving team for the duration of the contract.

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07-03-2010, 08:44 PM
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I don't see that happening unless he rids himself of Kaberle and Finger and has a spot for him. They have Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Komisarek, Schenn, and Gunnarsson. I just don't think he'd bite on that even at 2.7 mil.
If Souray hits re-entry he's likely going to Toronto, no doubt about it. That gets them Kaberle's replacement at a mere 2.7M for the next two years, it also frees up Kabs to be moved for a top six forward. It's a no brainer for the Leafs.

Not only that, with Souray at 2.7M they could move him next summer for a good return. Many teams would want a year of him at that price tag. As for Finger, he's almost a lock to be sent to the Marlies if need be.

Phaneuf - Beauchemin
Komisarek - Souray
Schenn - Gunnarsson

That would look pretty good, imo. Leafs are in spot where they have to consider all options.

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07-03-2010, 08:50 PM
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If Souray hits re-entry he's likely going to Toronto, no doubt about it. That gets them Kaberle's replacement at a mere 2.7M for the next two years, it also frees up Kabs to be moved for a top six forward. It's a no brainer for the Leafs.

Not only that, with Souray at 2.7M they could move him next summer for a good return. Many teams would want a year of him at that price tag. As for Finger, he's almost a lock to be sent to the Marlies if need be.

Phaneuf - Beauchemin
Komisarek - Souray
Schenn - Gunnarsson

That would look pretty good, imo. Leafs are in spot where they have to consider all options.
They're also in a position that if they expect Gunnarsson and Schenn to improve, they have to be given the time and with that top four, you're going to stunt their growth.

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07-03-2010, 08:55 PM
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He is not going on re-entry waivers guys. It is posted about two to three times on each page. Read before you post and people need to stop posting their lineups with him in it.

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07-03-2010, 09:04 PM
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If Souray hits re-entry he's likely going to Toronto, no doubt about it. That gets them Kaberle's replacement at a mere 2.7M for the next two years, it also frees up Kabs to be moved for a top six forward. It's a no brainer for the Leafs.

Not only that, with Souray at 2.7M they could move him next summer for a good return. Many teams would want a year of him at that price tag. As for Finger, he's almost a lock to be sent to the Marlies if need be.

Phaneuf - Beauchemin
Komisarek - Souray
Schenn - Gunnarsson

That would look pretty good, imo. Leafs are in spot where they have to consider all options.
wrong if the leafs did this and then traded him that team would be responsible for the full cap.

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07-03-2010, 09:11 PM
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OK, I'd rather take a 2 year salary dump in return for Souray if it means we don't have to 'give away' Smid in a package.
the only thing the leafs could offer is Finger. It saves EDM ownership 1 per in real money and I don't think the cap help really makes a difference to them. They may add a smaller piece but their contracts expire at the same time. It helps the leafs and saves EDM some cash. Don't think oil fans would be pumped about it but he's not as horrible as everyone makes him out to be. He's simply not worth the contract

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wrong if the leafs did this and then traded him that team would be responsible for the full cap.
You sure? Wouldn't the new team only pay the 50% cap hit TOR paid, and EDM would still be on the hook for 1/2? thats always how i interprepted it, but i could be wrong

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07-03-2010, 09:25 PM
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the only thing the leafs could offer is Finger. It saves EDM ownership 1 per in real money and I don't think the cap help really makes a difference to them. They may add a smaller piece but their contracts expire at the same time. It helps the leafs and saves EDM some cash. Don't think oil fans would be pumped about it but he's not as horrible as everyone makes him out to be. He's simply not worth the contract
I'd rather take a 2 year dump before I'd trade for Finger.

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He is not going on re-entry waivers guys. It is posted about two to three times on each page. Read before you post and people need to stop posting their lineups with him in it.
Let them have their fun. Seriously though, Rishaug and LeBrun tweets when Souray was put on waivers relayed team messages that the Oilers were not interested in recall waivers. They more than likely knew his value by the time the draft was over so if they were prepared to lose all control and eat money, they likely would have done a buyout while they could to reduce the amount and spread the hit over more years.

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07-03-2010, 09:52 PM
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You do know re-entry is only 1/2 of the 1st year right? You still need to pay his full salary the 2nd year. That said, Burke might be the one to pick him up because 1/2 salary for Souray next year is quite a deal and Burke has first waiver rights in this case.
yeah, as said im pretty sure thats really false. In fact wasnt there a player a few years ago that was actually throught two re-entry waivers and claimed? everyone here had no clue at the time how much of his salary anyone had to pay...

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You sure? Wouldn't the new team only pay the 50% cap hit TOR paid, and EDM would still be on the hook for 1/2? thats always how i interprepted it, but i could be wrong
You are correct, the other guy is wrong. Case in point, Jay Leach in 2009-10 acquired by MTL from NJD via re-entry waivers, had his $0.487M cap hit halved to $0.244M and that smaller cap hit was maintained even when he was traded by MTL to SJS.

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Why won't the Isles take a stab at Souray? Don't they still need to reach the cap floor? He could make a nice PP combo with Streit. Just asking.

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07-03-2010, 10:40 PM
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If Souray was on re-entry waivers, there would be a long list of teams after him; and Toronto problably would be the one to pick him up, simply because a team would be willing to buy our waiver priority. That being said, the Oilers are not going to take a cap penalty of $2.7m for the next 2 years for the simple reason that if that were to happen, half of his salary becomes sunk cost. If the Oilers could take on Sheldon Souray for $2.7m, they problably would. In order to be put on re-entry waivers, the team has to value you at less than half of your contract.

Needless to say, that's not happening.

As for where he will go, you've gotta look at teams who need a blueliner and have a bad contract they want no part of; likely a smaller contract whihc means that the team acquiring him has to be prepared to spend a little more money.

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I don't see that happening unless he rids himself of Kaberle and Finger and has a spot for him. They have Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Komisarek, Schenn, and Gunnarsson. I just don't think he'd bite on that even at 2.7 mil.
well that;s the thing, Kaberle is going to be traded, and Finger is more than likely about to jump on the waiver train down to the Marlies. Having another experienced d-man with a cannon shot wouldn't be a bad thing at all. And I'm certain Burke would love the idea of Lowe's team paying half the salary of one of his players

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They're also in a position that if they expect Gunnarsson and Schenn to improve, they have to be given the time and with that top four, you're going to stunt their growth.
Other way around. If Gunnarsson & Schenn improve, they will be given more ice time.

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Other way around. If Gunnarsson & Schenn improve, they will be given more ice time.
good thinking, play a guy 10 minutes and expect him to improve. They'd improve more playing 20 in the minors.

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good thinking, play a guy 10 minutes and expect him to improve. They'd improve more playing 20 in the minors.
Ice time is earned. If they are awesome in their 10 minutes, they'll be given 11 minutes, etc. The Leafs will play their best defenceman the most.

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good thinking, play a guy 10 minutes and expect him to improve. They'd improve more playing 20 in the minors.
well, I disagree with that guy's lines anyways... more likely to look like this

Phaneuf Schenn-great chemistry last year
Komi Gunnarsson- Komi works well with puck movers. His game gets better, and so does their's
Beauch Souray- limit their ice time & duties and you limit their mistakes. Beauch was definitely overplayed last season, same may be true for Souray.


This would give us some interesting tools on the PP... Souray, Phaneuf, and Beauch all have beastly slap shots, and Schenn's is getting good, though Gunnarsson would probably take a slot ahead of him.

A PP with Phaneuf and Souray taking shots from the point would be scary to see.

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well, I disagree with that guy's lines anyways... more likely to look like this

Phaneuf Schenn-great chemistry last year
Komi Gunnarsson- Komi works well with puck movers. His game gets better, and so does their's
Beauch Souray- limit their ice time & duties and you limit their mistakes. Beauch was definitely overplayed last season, same may be true for Souray.


This would give us some interesting tools on the PP... Souray, Phaneuf, and Beauch all have beastly slap shots, and Schenn's is getting good, though Gunnarsson would probably take a slot ahead of him.

A PP with Phaneuf and Souray taking shots from the point would be scary to see.
9+ million in cap for a 3RD pairing? Bringing in a player solely as a PP specialist is fine, but not for a caphit of 5.4M. Unless of course you still think Souray will be hitting re-entry waivers......

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In my opinion, the biggest thing preventing teams from being interested in Souray is his comments about the Oilers.

He's still a very good player, and while he has a fairly large contract, it's still manageable for a lot of teams.

The problem is that teams will find it difficult to want a player who has done what he has.

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If Souray is placed on re-entry, I don't know why Toronto wouldn't claim him. Don't they get first dibs because they are the 2nd worst team? But I HIGHLY doubt he goes on re-entry.

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If Souray was on re-entry waivers, there would be a long list of teams after him; and Toronto problably would be the one to pick him up, simply because a team would be willing to buy our waiver priority. That being said, the Oilers are not going to take a cap penalty of $2.7m for the next 2 years for the simple reason that if that were to happen, half of his salary becomes sunk cost. If the Oilers could take on Sheldon Souray for $2.7m, they problably would. In order to be put on re-entry waivers, the team has to value you at less than half of your contract.

Needless to say, that's not happening.

As for where he will go, you've gotta look at teams who need a blueliner and have a bad contract they want no part of; likely a smaller contract whihc means that the team acquiring him has to be prepared to spend a little more money.
I think you just described Brendan Witt and the NY Islanders

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I think you just described Brendan Witt and the NY Islanders
Problem is they waived Souray because teams were trying to force their bad contracts on them in a trade. At least thats what Mckenzie speculated. It's unlikely that the oilers become desperate enough that they actually cave on those offers but we'll see.

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Problem is they waived Souray because teams were trying to force their bad contracts on them in a trade. At least thats what Mckenzie speculated. It's unlikely that the oilers become desperate enough that they actually cave on those offers but we'll see.
I wouldn't say other teams are trying to "force" bad contracts. It's more like other teams are offering to exchange 1 bad contract (Souray) for another. The question is whether the Oilers are interested in such an exchange or not. Obviously we are in no hurry to clear up cap space or get that last missing D-man for a Cup run. Neither really applies to us and we can sit his contract out.

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You sure? Wouldn't the new team only pay the 50% cap hit TOR paid, and EDM would still be on the hook for 1/2? thats always how i interprepted it, but i could be wrong
I'm not 100% on it but I believe the cap savings only apply to the team that took him off waivers.

Looks like I was wrong sorry my bad.

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