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07-03-2010, 01:19 AM
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Obviously the Savard thing fell through, any Spezza talks fell through, the NYR talks fell through, so yes. There's still lots of time and lots of good centers that may be trade bait. Ribeiro is out there, Richards may be in play, there's still Weiss in Florida.

Doing "nothing" (besides signing a few 4th liners) isn't so horrible. Other teams are notoriously inactive at this time of year and it doesn't hurt them. SJ, Buffalo, Detroit.
So going forward to start the season, you're okay with

Hagman - Stajan - Iginla
Bourque - Backlund - Moss

As your top six? Because you shouldn't be. Keep in mind that Langkow is probably starting the season on IR.

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07-03-2010, 04:20 AM
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Olli Jokinen
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Born Dec 5 1978 -- Kuopio, Finland
Height 6.03 -- Weight 210 -- Shoots L


Selected by Los Angeles Kings round 1 #3 overall 1997 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1995-96 KalPa Kuopio FNL 15 1 1 2 2 -- -- -- -- --
1996-97 HIFK Helsinki FNL 50 14 27 41 88 -- -- -- -- --
1997-98 HIFK Helsinki FNL 30 11 28 39 32 9 7 2 9 2
1997-98 Los Angeles Kings NHL 8 0 0 0 6 -- -- -- -- --
1998-99 Springfield Falcons AHL 9 3 6 9 6 -- -- -- -- --
1998-99 Los Angeles Kings NHL 66 9 12 21 44 -- -- -- -- --
1999-00 New York Islanders NHL 82 11 10 21 80 -- -- -- -- --
2000-01 Florida Panthers NHL 78 6 10 16 106 -- -- -- -- --
2001-02 Florida Panthers NHL 80 9 20 29 98 -- -- -- -- --
2002-03 Florida Panthers NHL 81 36 29 65 79 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 Florida Panthers NHL 82 26 32 58 81 -- -- -- -- --
2004-05 Kloten Swiss 8 6 1 7 14 -- -- -- -- --
2004-05 Sodertalje SK SEL 23 13 9 22 52 -- -- -- -- --
2004-05 HIFK Helsinki FNL 14 9 8 17 10 5 2 0 2 24
2005-06 Florida Panthers NHL 82 38 51 89 88 -- -- -- -- --
2006-07 Florida Panthers NHL 82 39 52 91 78 -- -- -- -- --
2007-08 Florida Panthers NHL 82 34 37 71 67 -- -- -- -- --
2008-09 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 57 21 21 42 49 -- -- -- -- --
2008-09 Calgary Flames NHL 19 8 7 15 18 6 2 3 5 4
2009-10 Calgary Flames NHL 56 11 24 35 53 -- -- -- -- --
2009-10 New York Rangers NHL 26 4 11 15 22 -- -- -- -- --
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NHL Totals 881 252 316 568 869 6 2 3 5 4


I don´t think that is so bad for a 3mil/year 2nd or 3rd liner? If Olli get´s a good season he can do over 1 point per game.
You are forgetting about the Zhitnik factor. Joker has been downhill since that year and it seems he has never really recovered. I think it is more of a mental issue than a talent one. Joker has all the tools but he just buries his head down and goes forward, he has tunnel vision and can't make use of his linemates as effectively.

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07-03-2010, 04:34 AM
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he just buries his head down and goes forward, he has tunnel vision and can't make use of his linemates as effectively.

You are correct here...imo, he is just a stupid hockey player

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07-03-2010, 04:53 AM
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You are correct here...imo, he is just a stupid hockey player
I can't decide whether your blind hatred towards Jokinen is funny or sad. I bet you would be a great locker room cancer.

I don't like people who get their kicks kicking someone who is unpopular and on the ground. Olli choosing to come back here where he'll be sure to get booed by likes of you shows some character you are lacking.


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07-03-2010, 05:26 AM
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I can't decide whether your blind hatred towards Jokinen is funny or sad.
For calling Jokinen a stupid hockey player? Maybe that's an over-statement, but surely Jokinen's problems are in the hockey IQ department. He has strength, speed and puck-skills, but he just doesn't see the best option often enough. He doesn't really make boneheaded decisions, so maybe "stupid" isn't particularly generous, but he does way too often try to force plays that really aren't there.

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07-03-2010, 05:43 AM
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For calling Jokinen a stupid hockey player? Maybe that's an over-statement, but surely Jokinen's problems are in the hockey IQ department. He has strength, speed and puck-skills, but he just doesn't see the best option often enough. He doesn't really make boneheaded decisions, so maybe "stupid" isn't particularly generous, but he does way too often try to force plays that really aren't there.
I'm referring to DFF's numerous earlier posts about Jokinen being stupid and having a low hockey IQ. Calling Jokinen stupid is an opinion, but when it is repeated every change you get it gets annoying.

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07-03-2010, 08:09 AM
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I can't decide whether your blind hatred towards Jokinen is funny or sad. I bet you would be a great locker room cancer.

I don't like people who get their kicks kicking someone who is unpopular and on the ground. Olli choosing to come back here where he'll be sure to get booed by likes of you shows some character you are lacking.
Olli chooses to come back here cause nobody offers him that much, not cause he loves the Flames. It's a business decision, not character...

Talking about character, he has not made a playoff all his life except for one lucky default occasion with the Flames. Even then he tried his hardest to help them to miss it.

btw, I have always hated him...it's a cancer not to speak up when thing is going wrong. Continue to support Sutter is a cancer. Sutter cant identify talent and he is stuck in the 70s hockey. Doesnt work anymore.


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07-03-2010, 08:16 AM
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For calling Jokinen a stupid hockey player? Maybe that's an over-statement, but surely Jokinen's problems are in the hockey IQ department. He has strength, speed and puck-skills, but he just doesn't see the best option often enough. He doesn't really make boneheaded decisions, so maybe "stupid" isn't particularly generous, but he does way too often try to force plays that really aren't there.
You are exactly right...for all the skills he has, he doesnt do anything to help the team except for collecting stats for himself (which he doesnt even do well anymore)....this has been proven over and over again. That's why it's so dumb to go back to him.

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He played badly in Phoenix, Calgary and NYR. Everybody knows that.
Make all the excuses for him you want but sorry to break it to you he is no longer a good top 6 forward. He is also a selfish player with no brain. An ultimate loser, has never won anything for the team.
he was a one-dimensional player in FL as well. i disliked his game (and came to dislike him as a result as i think the two are inextricably tied together) very early on during his time in FL and that feeling intensified over time. yes, even when he was scoring 35+ goals.

ultimate loser is a little harsh but yes, i agree that not only is he not the brightest bulb, he also is (or was) the definition of a prima donna. combine that with a dash of selfishness and a quarter cup of poor defensive play and you can see why keenan would slap a C on his chest.

seriously, while that was a disaster of an experiment, i still think he is very talented and can still score. i thought he'd prefer to leave the derision behind and head to the KHL, where he could go back to being the 1-way prima donna he is at his core but we'll see - maybe sutter will be able to recreate the magic olli had for a few years in FL when keenan was blowing smoke up his *** and telling him he loved him.

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I can't decide whether your blind hatred towards Jokinen is funny or sad. I bet you would be a great locker room cancer.

I don't like people who get their kicks kicking someone who is unpopular and on the ground. Olli choosing to come back here where he'll be sure to get booed by likes of you shows some character you are lacking.
or utter stupidity

seriously, olli deserves what he gets.

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For calling Jokinen a stupid hockey player? Maybe that's an over-statement, but surely Jokinen's problems are in the hockey IQ department. He has strength, speed and puck-skills, but he just doesn't see the best option often enough. He doesn't really make boneheaded decisions, so maybe "stupid" isn't particularly generous, but he does way too often try to force plays that really aren't there.


i'd go a bit further and say he's lacking in the general IQ department.

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07-03-2010, 10:19 AM
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Wow its a very sad day to see everyone on this thread bashing a Flames player. I can understand from DFF who seems to have a blind hatred for everyone, but there is no need to insult him. I can guarantee that he has a higher hockey IQ than everyone bashing him combined. DFF shouldn't your negativity be directed elsewhere? Wheres Luna when you need him...

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07-03-2010, 10:40 AM
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You guys will love that he got a no movement clause then.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=452

@ lordstanleychaser, just enjoy their pain. I find it nourishing.

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i'd go a bit further and say he's lacking in the general IQ department.
Internet forums are full of real-life loosers acting like little kids and insulting people. Grow up.

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07-03-2010, 11:24 AM
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Everyone who is bashing Jokinen should go back and look at the playoff series vs the Hawks two years ago. He was the best player for the Flames in that entire series. He played with more heart and hustle than anybody else. I am very happy we got him back, his salary is great and he wants to be here. The only thing that makes me mad is he shouldn't have been traded away in the first place

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Everyone who is bashing Jokinen should go back and look at the playoff series vs the Hawks two years ago. He was the best player for the Flames in that entire series. He played with more heart and hustle than anybody else. I am very happy we got him back, his salary is great and he wants to be here. The only thing that makes me mad is he shouldn't have been traded away in the first place
Sutter was real desperate to make the playoffs, so he exchanged Jokinen to two former 20 goal scorers and hoped it would help. It was a very risky move and it backfired. Jokinen wasn't worth his 5,5 million contract with 50 points, but it's hard to argue he's not worth 3 million even if he produces another 50 points.

Amongst NHL forwards Jokinen was 95th in points and 109th in ice-time.

Jarome Iginla was 30th in points and 18th in ice-time.

Jokinen was +3 and Iginla was -2.

It is quite obvious Jokinen was overpaid, but all the negativity he is facing because Flames missed the playoffs and because Sutter was stupid enough to trade him to NYR is ridiculously overblown.


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So going forward to start the season, you're okay with

Hagman - Stajan - Iginla
Bourque - Backlund - Moss

As your top six? Because you shouldn't be. Keep in mind that Langkow is probably starting the season on IR.
Excellent point... yiiiiikes.

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So going forward to start the season, you're okay with

Hagman - Stajan - Iginla
Bourque - Backlund - Moss

As your top six? Because you shouldn't be. Keep in mind that Langkow is probably starting the season on IR.
Tanguay (29) - Jokinen (39) - Iginla (50)
Bourgue (27) - Stajan (19) - Hagman (27)

(career high in goals)

These are way better scoring lines, in fact there's very good, PROVEN, goal scoring potential on our top six. Blackhawks top six scored 30+25+25+24+22+20=146 goals last regular season, we have potential for 191 goals.

If our top six reaches 76% of their career best performances, they'll score as many goals as this years Stanley Cup Champion's top six did. 76% sounds pretty realistic to me.


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After my inital pissing and moaning from the shock I thought about it.

Jokinen at that price is ok...But know with Tangs in the mix again at a dirt cheap price I'll bet the flames are going to surprise a lot of people.

We needed playmaking for iggy and OJ during last years horrible run and now they have it.

Everyone who is bashing OJ's IQ and work ethic...Piss off. The guy wears his heart on his sleeve and plays in the NHL (the rest of us do not). Remember the Chicago series, because he did everything he could to make us win. Chicago was just simply a better and a more talented team, enough said. The fact that Sutter re-signed him should put any locker room rumors to the dirt.

I agree that OJ has tunnel vision, but hopefully that is the point of bringing in Tangs again. If those two click than I see next year being a good one for this organization. I hope for:

Tanguay-Jokinen-Iginla

Kudos to Sutter for getting the two players at good prices. He might be off his rocker, but maybe there is some pure genius behind it somehow.

However...if Langkow doesn't go then this signing blows. Backlund needs to be in the top nine rotation at centre ice. No sense in trying to develop a player on wing when he should be a centre.

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Tanguay (29) - Jokinen (39) - Iginla (50)
Bourgue (27) - Stajan (19) - Hagman (27)

(career high in goals)

These are way better scoring lines, in fact there's very good, PROVEN, goal scoring potential on our top six. Blackhawks top six scored 30+25+25+24+22+20=146 goals last regular season, we have potential for 191 goals.

If our top six reaches 76% of their career best performances, they'll score as many goals as this years Stanley Cup Champion's top six did. 76% sounds pretty realistic to me.
very well thought out

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Even if Jokinen get's 50 points at 3 million per that's a good deal.

People seem to forget he's not making 5.5 or w/e this season and that anything over 55 or so points is just bonus for us. If Jokinen can put together a 25 + 40 or 30 type of season this deal will be a good one.


I mean realistically I can't see him getting less than 50 points...

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I mean realistically I can't see him getting less than 50 points...
I agree, even with the horrible luck he had, he was still on pace for around 50 points with the Flames.

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You guys will love that he got a no movement clause then.

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@ lordstanleychaser, just enjoy their pain. I find it nourishing.
Like praqctically every Sutter made contract

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Like praqctically every Sutter made contract
To be honest, after the fiasco surrounding Jokinen's final days around here, can you blame him?

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I like it actually, i was up camping all weeek, had to steal my gf's phone to run up the hill n check twitter, and i seen "Jokinen to Calgary", I was like "WTF?!", but when you think of it,

Tanguay-Jokinen-Iginla

That has potential to be a bad motha ****a..
calgary now has more offense, and another playmaker, but i still fully expect someone to be gone, flames need CAP

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Good signing. It adresses a need on the team (centre depth and a big centreman) at a reasonable price. Jokinen played the "right way" when he was here but just didn't put up big points. I am very happy to have him back at 3M.

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