HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2010-2011 Season

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-03-2010, 07:33 PM
  #301
IrishSniper87
Registered User
 
IrishSniper87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Media, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 13,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForsbergIsOdin View Post
So are we over the cap right now? Kinda lost on that situation.
Technically no, but we have to roll a 21 man roster just to be under the cap a little bit. Not including JVR's bonuses which could hurt us next season.

IrishSniper87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 08:40 PM
  #302
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
Hell, we've played games with just 20 on the roster. I don't think it's a great idea either, but don't fool yourselves into thinking it's not an option the Flyers will consider.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 09:14 PM
  #303
IrishSniper87
Registered User
 
IrishSniper87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Media, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 13,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
Hell, we've played games with just 20 on the roster. I don't think it's a great idea either, but don't fool yourselves into thinking it's not an option the Flyers will consider.
I'm not saying the Flyers wont consider it, I'm just saying it's an awful, awful strategy given the fact we have 3 defenders 34+ (one of which is almost 40) and Briere on the roster.

IrishSniper87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 09:21 PM
  #304
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishSniper87 View Post
I'm not saying the Flyers wont consider it, I'm just saying it's an awful, awful strategy given the fact we have 3 defenders 34+ (one of which is almost 40) and Briere on the roster.
Agreed it's not a good long term strategy. Still think it might be Homer's plan, at least until camp.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 09:21 PM
  #305
Valhoun*
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: West Chester, PA
Posts: 10,311
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Valhoun*
One thing we could do is put Shelley in the ****ing AHL for the next 3 years...

Valhoun* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 09:52 PM
  #306
SolidSnakeUS
Registered User
 
SolidSnakeUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pipersville, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 31,945
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valhoun View Post
One thing we could do is put Shelley in the ****ing AHL for the next 3 years...
If only he had a 2-way deal...

SolidSnakeUS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:13 PM
  #307
Flyersguru
Registered User
 
Flyersguru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: South Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 2,402
vCash: 500
Can't believe you people don't understand why we got Shelley.

Did you forgot Colton Orr head hunting and cheap shooting Giroux, Richards, etc this seaons?

Shelley won't let that **** happen.

Cote was useless in that role and will no longer be on this team and buried on the Phantoms.

Flyersguru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:18 PM
  #308
Flyersguru
Registered User
 
Flyersguru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: South Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 2,402
vCash: 500
Boogaard - 1.6 million
Nystrom - 1.4 million
Ivanans - 1.2 million
Orr - 1.1 million
Jackman - 1.1 million
Shelley - 1.1 million

Flyersguru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:20 PM
  #309
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyersguru View Post
Can't believe you people don't understand why we got Shelley.

Did you forgot Colton Orr head hunting and cheap shooting Giroux, Richards, etc this seaons?

Shelley won't let that **** happen.

Cote was useless in that role and will no longer be on this team and buried on the Phantoms.
I'd rather the refs not let that **** happen, and the Flyers put 12 forwards and 6 defenders on the ice that can play hockey.

Enforcers are lame.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:22 PM
  #310
Flyersguru
Registered User
 
Flyersguru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: South Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 2,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
I'd rather the refs not let that **** happen, and the Flyers put 12 forwards and 6 defenders on the ice that can play hockey.

Enforcers are lame.
Refs can't do anything.

Reason why enforcers are getting paid at an all time high because they are need it more then ever.

Flyersguru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:25 PM
  #311
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
Who was the enforcer on the Hawks? How about the Flyers? How about the Red Wings and Penguins?

Enforcers are dead.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:33 PM
  #312
Flyersguru
Registered User
 
Flyersguru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: South Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 2,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
Who was the enforcer on the Hawks? How about the Flyers? How about the Red Wings and Penguins?

Enforcers are dead.
Yet every enforcer not named Laraque was signed on Day 1 of free agency.

They are alive and well.

Detroit: closest one is Draper, but they don't fight.

Pittsburgh: Godard/Cooke

Chicago: Byfuglein/Burish

Flyersguru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:35 PM
  #313
BringBackStevens
Registered User
 
BringBackStevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 12,628
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
Who was the enforcer on the Hawks? How about the Flyers? How about the Red Wings and Penguins?

Enforcers are dead.
Playoff hockey is a different animal... but in the regular season I would definitely prefer to have someone that can throw them

BringBackStevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:39 PM
  #314
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
Byfuglen as an enforcer? LOL, ok.

Notice that the enforcers were signed by GM that are still living in the 90s. Holmgren is living off good drafts from pre-lockout days, Sather is a total joke that has the Rangers moving backwards.

Fighting isn't gone, but you CAN NOT waste cap space on stone hand stiffs that can't skate, play D, or do anything but fight. Teams that do either put them in the minors, or they don't win the cup.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:42 PM
  #315
Flyersguru
Registered User
 
Flyersguru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: South Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 2,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
Byfuglen as an enforcer? LOL, ok.

Notice that the enforcers were signed by GM that are still living in the 90s. Holmgren is living off good drafts from pre-lockout days, Sather is a total joke that has the Rangers moving backwards.

Fighting isn't gone, but you CAN NOT waste cap space on stone hand stiffs that can't skate, play D, or do anything but fight. Teams that do either put them in the minors, or they don't win the cup.
Good look at Byfuglen's numbers and PIM's. He was the enforcer, trust me.

You'll see the difference Shelley will make, something Cote couldn't do.

Flyersguru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 10:56 PM
  #316
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyersguru View Post
Good look at Byfuglen's numbers and PIM's. He was the enforcer, trust me.

You'll see the difference Shelley will make, something Cote couldn't do.
Yeah, I'll see a team with less depth come way short of what they accomplished this year.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-03-2010, 11:15 PM
  #317
Dig Out Your Soul
Ex Storm...
 
Dig Out Your Soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyersguru View Post
Refs can't do anything.

Reason why enforcers are getting paid at an all time high because they are need it more then ever.
There's nothing to enforce. Colton Orr can take cheap shots at Richards and Giroux all night while Shelley is in the pressbox or on the bench because coach doesn't trust him to take a regular shift.

Also: instigator rule. You think Laviolette wants a guy out there every night who will deliberately put the team shorthanded by starting a fight?

Get rid of the salary cap and the instigator and I'm all for having an enforcer.

Dig Out Your Soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 12:10 AM
  #318
Larry44
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 5,536
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
Hell, we've played games with just 20 on the roster. I don't think it's a great idea either, but don't fool yourselves into thinking it's not an option the Flyers will consider.
They played with a 20 man roster most of last year. Well, they had 21 technically, but Cote never played.

I don't see why they'd need to carry extra guys, esp. on D. So what if we've got 3 old men, we have 3 25 yrs olds too. The point of Meszaros and O'Donnell is that they'll get enough minutes to spell the top 4.

And if someone gets hurt, Bartulis can be recalled, or any of the Phantom kids. For long road trips, you call up a versatile forward like Nodl or Kalinski who can play up and down the lineup.

Not a big deal.

Larry44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 12:57 AM
  #319
might2mash
Post-apocalyptic
 
might2mash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: South Bend
Country: United States
Posts: 4,616
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to might2mash
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyersguru View Post
Good look at Byfuglen's numbers and PIM's. He was the enforcer, trust me.

You'll see the difference Shelley will make, something Cote couldn't do.
Byfuglien is not an enforcer. He's a hockey player who will stick up for his teammates, yes, but he doesn't actually have that many PIM. Asham, Hartnell, Lappy, and Carcillo all had more PIM than him, and none of them are really enforcers. They all have actual puck skills, which is what is required in the new NHL.

might2mash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 09:51 AM
  #320
decadentia
Registered User
 
decadentia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New Brunswick
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyersguru View Post
Good look at Byfuglen's numbers and PIM's. He was the enforcer, trust me.

You'll see the difference Shelley will make, something Cote couldn't do.
Byfuglien had 1 fight in the 2009-2010 season. And as noted, his PIM's weren't that high.

decadentia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 10:09 AM
  #321
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 14,005
vCash: 500
All Byfuglien is is a less talented Hartnell with 2 inches and 50 or so pounds tacked on.

He's not an enforcer. He's a crap-talker/pest/crease-bully.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 10:13 AM
  #322
jb**
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Planet Lovetron
Country: Italy
Posts: 8,556
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
Who was the enforcer on the Hawks? How about the Flyers? How about the Red Wings and Penguins?

Enforcers are dead.
Goddard. Hawks went the flyers route without a real heavy. They did sign john Scott a few days ago. Wings always had one excpet the last few years. Enforcers may be dead in your opinion not mine. The Flyers will 99% of the time have one. They will place having one above having a better player. They revel in their reputation and will not let it die, ever. Accept it. The Rangers obviously overpaid but you know what they got the best in the business though. For an extra 500k i would have rather had Boogard. Shelley is the better player but what does that mena when comparing 2 goons? Shelley is 34 that is a problem to me. They obviosuly wanted a heavy then why not give Laroque a league min contract? I would think if he has any pride he would come back and try to establish himself as a top fighter again. Better player than Shelley as well. Rather take that risk than 3 years of Shelley

Just like they will never get a goalie. They will always have a fighter or so called fighter.

jb** is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 10:20 AM
  #323
decadentia
Registered User
 
decadentia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New Brunswick
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWO View Post
Goddard. Hawks went the flyers route without a real heavy. They did sign john Scott a few days ago. Wings always had one excpet the last few years. Enforcers may be dead in your opinion not mine. The Flyers will 99% of the time have one. They will place having one above having a better player. They revel in their reputation and will not let it die, ever. Accept it. The Rangers obviously overpaid but you know what they got the best in the business though. For an extra 500k i would have rather had Boogard. Shelley is the better player but what does that mena when comparing 2 goons? Shelley is 34 that is a problem to me. They obviosuly wanted a heavy then why not give Laroque a league min contract? I would think if he has any pride he would come back and try to establish himself as a top fighter again. Better player than Shelley as well. Rather take that risk than 3 years of Shelley

Just like they will never get a goalie. They will always have a fighter or so called fighter.
Too late.

decadentia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 10:30 AM
  #324
CantSeeColors
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Country: Seychelles
Posts: 5,472
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry44 View Post
They played with a 20 man roster most of last year. Well, they had 21 technically, but Cote never played.

I don't see why they'd need to carry extra guys, esp. on D. So what if we've got 3 old men, we have 3 25 yrs olds too. The point of Meszaros and O'Donnell is that they'll get enough minutes to spell the top 4.

And if someone gets hurt, Bartulis can be recalled, or any of the Phantom kids. For long road trips, you call up a versatile forward like Nodl or Kalinski who can play up and down the lineup.

Not a big deal.
Um, if the 20 man roster is taking up ALL of the cap space, how is that call-up going to fit under it?

CantSeeColors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-04-2010, 11:02 AM
  #325
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
If you dump Cote, we have 20 players and $1.128M, which means we as long a Bartulis spends about 30 days in the minors over the course of the season, you can call up anyone with a $600K cap hit or less for the season.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:47 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.