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Colorado Avalanche Prospect Poll: 3

View Poll Results: Avalance Prospect #3
Joey Hishon, Center, #17 Overall 2010 25 41.67%
Ryan Stoa, C/LW, #34 Overall 2005 22 36.67%
Colby Cohen, Defense, #45 Overall 2007 1 1.67%
Calvin Pickard, Goaltender, #49 Overall 2010 6 10.00%
Tyson Barrie, Defense, #64 Overall 2009 0 0%
Cameron Gaunce, Defense, #50 Overall 2008 5 8.33%
Michael Bournival, Left Wing, #71 Overall 2010 0 0%
Johan Holos, Defense, #170 Overall 2005 1 1.67%
Joel Chouinard, Defense, #167 Overall 2008 0 0%
Mark Olver, Center, #140 Overall 2008 0 0%
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07-03-2010, 06:32 PM
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It's not his fault he got injured..
Going off topic- if it's not Hishon's fault he was injured, why on other threads do people opine that David Jones needs to prove he can play a season without injury? Was it Jones' fault he was injured? Please advise...

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07-03-2010, 06:34 PM
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Going off topic- if it's not Hishon's fault he was injured, why on other threads do people opine that David Jones needs to prove he can play a season without injury? Was it Jones' fault he was injured? Please advise...
There's a difference between taking a puck to a body part than falling and getting injured.

Some people are fragile... Forsberg--Gagne--Jones--etc.

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07-03-2010, 06:42 PM
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Don't know why people get wound up about these things. Stoa might have top six potential or he may never amount to anything in the NHL. Hishon might be joining Nedorost and Johansson in the ranks of picks we wished we forgot about or he might turn out to be a star.

People vote from a mix of hype, draft position and real ability. Most of us won't even see them play until they make the NHL unless they manage to get a spot on a JWC squad.

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Don't know why people get wound up about these things. Stoa might have top six potential or he may never amount to anything in the NHL. Hishon might be joining Nedorost and Johansson in the ranks of picks we wished we forgot about or he might turn out to be a star.
I am not sure what your point is. Every player faces this possibility but its not something that can be foreseen or predicted. Thats why we vote on potential on the basis that the player doesn't become a bust. If he does, oh well. If he doesn't then we'll know how good he is.

As for people getting wound up about this, some enjoy seeing the development of players like I. Its quite fun.

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People vote from a mix of hype, draft position and real ability. Most of us won't even see them play until they make the NHL unless they manage to get a spot on a JWC squad.
Then why even vote?

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Then why even vote?
Because it is diversion, amusement and socialization. Nothing important.

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These polls are about potential. Like PeterTheGreat made a example in the last or first poll:

Shattenkirk vs. Mercier

Obviously Shattenkirk is the better prospect even tho Mercier is more NHL ready (speaking in terms of the league they've played in). You could do Stoa vs. Holos for the same reason and etc.

RoR had better potential than Mercier and Holos as well and he made it to the NHL passing both AHL/SEL due to his potential.

So go by potential. But I don't know how you can measure potential by what you read online based on someone's opinion. I assume people have seen Stoa at least once or twice in his call ups to know what he can bring.

Thats why I am kinda scratching my head on this. As Starrlinx said less than 2 weeks ago people were scratching their heads and now Hishon is beating our best winger prospect? I can't see the logic in it.

Not saying not to vote for Hishon but the measurement of the best prospect from this poll seems somewhat unfair? Or Biased? Or Rigged? Not sure but its something I question.
If you need to see somebody play before voting on them then only a few people should be voting on these polls. I think it is possible to have a good assessment of a player if you haven't seen him. It just take some research.

In poll #2 37 people, including you, voted for Elliott. I wonder how many have seen him play to take him over Stoa? I like Stoa and think he will do well in the NHL but I think Hishon could end up being the best of the two. Just my .02 cents.

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I am not understanding how Hishon is winning. He's had one good season the OHL. Yes he has a lot of potential but its to be seen if he can hit it consistently. Stoa has proven a lot in his first AHL season and looks to be a solid top 6 winger once Duke retires.

Based on potential, Hishon may have the edge but Stoa has proven himself on a consistent basis.
I went with Hishon because I believe he has a slight edge of potential over Stoa, but Stoa still has body size on him.

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It is more entertaining to read the older ones.
2007. Year of the Hensick
2008. Return of the Hensick
2009. O Hensick, Where Art Thou?

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Because it is diversion, amusement and socialization. Nothing important.
Touche.

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If you need to see somebody play before voting on them then only a few people should be voting on these polls. I think it is possible to have a good assessment of a player if you haven't seen him. It just take some research.

In poll #2 37 people, including you, voted for Elliott. I wonder how many have seen him play to take him over Stoa? I like Stoa and think he will do well in the NHL but I think Hishon could end up being the best of the two. Just my .02 cents.
Agreed with everything. I live off of research. I can't see every prospect play - impossible even for scouts. I try to catch any games, clips, info from friends who go to games and opinions I can trust, but most of it does come from research.

Thats where its biting people in the ass on this poll. In the past two weeks many have done their research on Hishon. But, I doubt the same effort has been put in forward for Stoa. I also have seen Stoa play. Going by that, I assume people are going with what have you done for me lately or in terms of prospects what have I herd about you lately? I am sure if people read up on and rewatched some games Stoa would be winning this (can't argue for the margin).

I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt with Elliot (or prospects drafted over a year for that matter) since he was drafted last year and I know many that follow up on prospects during the year. I can't vouch for that now with Hishon. A year vs. 2 weeks are completely two different things. I am not arguing about people voting for Hishon just arguing about him being above Stoa at this point.

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Meh, that a risk associated with prospect but you can't generalize it with every player. I am sure CBJ had "O Gilbert Brule where art thou?" Each team has a prospect that doesn't always develop as planned but it does set a benchmark for the strength of your poll.

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I voted Gaunce, just because I freaking felt like it!

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There's a difference between taking a puck to a body part than falling and getting injured.

Some people are fragile... Forsberg--Gagne--Jones--etc.
Wut? Foppa was literally beaten with sticks, while the refs swallowed their whistles, until his spleen exploded in his abdomen. Jones had the good fortune of getting tangled with a talentless player and his ACL snapped. How are these things signs of fragility?

PS- I'm not being obnoxious, this is a sincere inquiry into how we evalute these things as OCD hockey fans.

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Hishon.

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Hishon but Stoa is close

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Does Stoa really still count as a prospect?

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Does Stoa really still count as a prospect?
He's 23 with <60 NHL games down.. So I guess :/

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We have til 3:54 CST until the poll closes

Like I said it has to be 2 votes or less

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I picked Stoa cause I thought after he adjusted he showed he could hang at the NHL level skill wise before he got injured, and he definitely has the size. It's hard to judge some of these players when you see so little of them and have to form an opinion based on different scout's opinions...

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