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07-05-2010, 07:58 AM
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Dan Girardi arbitration filing deadline today(Girardi filed-Hearing date-TBA)

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12.2 Notice of Player Election of Salary Arbitration.
A Player (or a Player's Certified Agent, acting on the Player's behalf),
electing salary arbitration must do so by making a written request, in accordance with
Exhibit 3 hereto, utilizing the form attached hereto as Exhibit 23, by facsimile to Central
Registry, the NHLPA and the Player's Club by not later than 5:00 p. m. New York time on
July 5 in the League Year in which such Player is eligible for salary arbitration.
Dan Girardi and the other group II arbitration eligible players have until 5pm today to file. Put together a list of the eligible players. Not everyone will file but they are eligible.

Marc Staal is NOT arbitration eligible. His ELC was signed between 18-20 years old and has 3 years pro experience. He needs to have 4 years experience.

Girardi should file and probably will file. Ryan Callahan filed last 7/5 and the Rangers signed him on 7/13. The hearings begin on July 20.

Anaheim-James Wiesniewski

Atlanta-Ben Eager,Andrew Ladd, Clarke MacArthur

Boston-Gregory Campbell,Mark Stuart, Blake Wheeler

Buffalo-Patrick Kaleta

Calgary-Ian White

Chicago-Antti Niemi

Columbus-Jared Boll,Anton Stralman

Dallas-Nicklas Grossman, Fabian Brunnstrom

Detroit- Drew Miller, Derek Meech

Edmonton- Gilbert Brule

Minnesota-Josh Harding

Montreal-Maxin Lapierre

Islanders-Matt Moulson, Rob Schremp

Rangers-Dan Girardi

Ottawa-Chris Campoli, Peter Regin

Flyers-Dan Carcillo

St.Louis-Jaroslav Halak,Cam Janssen

Tampa Bay-Mike Lundin, Nate Thompson

Vancouver- Jannik Hansen, Mason Raymond, Shane O'Brien

Washington- Eric Fehr, Boyd Gordon, Tomas Fleischman, Jeff Schultz


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Glen Sather has stated on numerous occasions that the Rangers want to re-sign Girardi and he is part of the Rangers core.

Two other arbitration eligible D-Braydon Coburn and Kyle Quincy signed two year deals avoiding having to file for arbitration.

Coburn signed a 2 year deal worth $6.4 million which takes him to Group III UFA in the summer of 2012.

Quincy signed a 2 year deal worth $6.25 million. Quincy is 3 years away from being a group III.

Larry Brooks(in case people missed it)reported last Sunday

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Dan Girardi, eligible to become a Group II free agent when the market opens on Thursday, is seeking a four-year deal with the Rangers for upwards of $3 million per. That may be somewhat steep, but Girardi can file for a one-year arbitration award and then become unrestricted next season.

If that should occur, the Blueshirts would almost certainly have to pony up more for a replacement for Girardi, who elevated his game the second half of last season (the Philadelphia incident with Daniel Carcillo and Marian Gaborik was an aberration) and formed half of a still inexperienced, yet reasonably effective shutdown pair with partner Marc Staal.

The problem is that Staal, also an impending Group II but without arbitration rights, likely will wait on Girardi's contract before signing a new deal. It's probably going to cost between $7-7.5M a year for the pair, not an unreasonable number as long as the two defensemen perform up to capability.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devil...sl2c56IxuszL/1

Girardi is 26 years old. Sign him to a 4 year deal worth between $3-$3.5 million. $3.25 million. The Rangers aren't going to find a cheaper D in free agency. It's not like the players signed last Thursday are worth 5-6 years at over $4-$5 million per.

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Glen Sather has stated on numerous occasions that the Rangers want to re-sign Girardi and he is part of the Rangers core.

Two other arbitration eligible D-Braydon Coburn and Kyle Quincy signed two year deals avoiding having to file for arbitration.

Coburn signed a 2 year deal worth $6.4 million which takes him to Group III UFA in the summer of 2012.

Quincy signed a 2 year deal worth $6.25 million. Quincy is 3 years away from being a group III.

Larry Brooks(in case people missed it)reported last Sunday



http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devil...sl2c56IxuszL/1

Girardi is 26 years old. Sign him to a 4 year deal worth between $3-$3.5 million. $3.25 million. The Rangers aren't going to find a cheaper D in free agency. It's not like the players signed last Thursday are worth 5-6 years at over $4-$5 million per.
4 years @ $3 to $3.25 million for Girardi would be a solid deal. I have a feeling Sather is trying to get him to sign for under $3 million, though.

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i think 4 years 3 Million is a fair price for Girardi.

Its a good enough contract that can be traded too if need be, its not a huge hit.

Dan has earned the 12 Million IMO. Give it to him.

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Glen Sather has stated on numerous occasions that the Rangers want to re-sign Girardi and he is part of the Rangers core.

Two other arbitration eligible D-Braydon Coburn and Kyle Quincy signed two year deals avoiding having to file for arbitration.

Coburn signed a 2 year deal worth $6.4 million which takes him to Group III UFA in the summer of 2012.

Quincy signed a 2 year deal worth $6.25 million. Quincy is 3 years away from being a group III.

Larry Brooks(in case people missed it)reported last Sunday



http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devil...sl2c56IxuszL/1

Girardi is 26 years old. Sign him to a 4 year deal worth between $3-$3.5 million. $3.25 million. The Rangers aren't going to find a cheaper D in free agency. It's not like the players signed last Thursday are worth 5-6 years at over $4-$5 million per.
I agree, give Danny G a 4 year deal between 12-14 million dollars. Would have him locked up for 3 years of Free Agency.

Then offer Staal a 6 year deal in the 24-27 million dollars. Although this would cost us $$ now, down the line near the end of the deal when Staal is UFA available, he would be locked up for his first two years of UFA

If we have to waive Redden without even giving him a chance in training camp, so be it. Redden is done anyway, he doesnt have it in him to play at the level of a 6.5 million dollard dman.


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I would be totally okay with giving both Staal and Girardi longer-term contracts.

Staal(8 years @ 4.5 million/year----32 million)
Girardi(5 years @ 3.3 million/year-----16.5 million)

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Glen Sather has stated on numerous occasions that the Rangers want to re-sign Girardi and he is part of the Rangers core.

Two other arbitration eligible D-Braydon Coburn and Kyle Quincy signed two year deals avoiding having to file for arbitration.

Coburn signed a 2 year deal worth $6.4 million which takes him to Group III UFA in the summer of 2012.

Quincy signed a 2 year deal worth $6.25 million. Quincy is 3 years away from being a group III.

Larry Brooks(in case people missed it)reported last Sunday



http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devil...sl2c56IxuszL/1

Girardi is 26 years old. Sign him to a 4 year deal worth between $3-$3.5 million. $3.25 million. The Rangers aren't going to find a cheaper D in free agency. It's not like the players signed last Thursday are worth 5-6 years at over $4-$5 million per.
Agree completely. He's a steady guy and vastly underrated by NY fans and after the Gaborik incident, you can count on him not to be passive again.

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Still no word on Girardi filing. Guess he's waiting until the last minute or the Rangers and him are trying to bang out a deal before the 5pm EST deadline?

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Still no word on Girardi filing. Guess he's waiting until the last minute or the Rangers and him are trying to bang out a deal before the 5pm EST deadline?
I think the reporters maybe are focused elsewhere?

Wouldnt make any sense for Dan not to file from a business standpoint.

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I think the reporters maybe are focused elsewhere?

Wouldnt make any sense for Dan not to file from a business standpoint.
Where is Brooksie? Following the Devils and Kovy??

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Where is Brooksie? Following the Devils and Kovy??
Or Zip or Grossman. Where are these beat guys? lol

I would assume that he filed. As Fitzy said before, it wouldn't make sense if he didn't file and there was not a deal in place to re-sign him.

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Where is Brooksie? Following the Devils and Kovy??
Brooksie is looking for a fresh lock of hair for his Tortorella voodoo doll...Can't imagine Girardi not going for arbitration -- after all, you can withdraw the application can't you...why not cover your bases

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Nothing yet on Girardi

Most of the players eligible have filed

Wisniewski
Ladd
Wheeler
White
Niemi
Boll
Stralman
Brule
Lapierre
Moulson
Campoli
Raymond
Fehr
Fleischmann
Schultz

Stuart is close to signing a 1 year with Boston. Halak did not file. He is probably close to signing a long term deal with the Blues.

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Brooks tweeted earlier today on the Devils and Kovalchuk.

The other guys don't know what is arbitration.

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Brooksie is looking for a fresh lock of hair for his Tortorella voodoo doll...Can't imagine Girardi not going for arbitration -- after all, you can withdraw the application can't you...why not cover your bases
Once you file for arbitration,that is essentially a contract. A third party will determine the salary if the player and team can not agree on a new contract.

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If he hasn't/doesn't file I would imagine that can only mean they are close to agreeing on an extentsion.

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Once you file for arbitration,that is essentially a contract. A third party will determine the salary if the player and team can not agree on a new contract.
I think we're saying the same thing. Once you file for arbitration two things happen (or can happen). One, the arbitrator begins their work on determining what is a fair contract. Two, the employee and management can continue to negotiate themselves and see if they can reach an agreement.

IF the employee and management agree on terms, then the arbitrator is sent home and doesn't file their report.

IF the employee and management don't agree on terms by a specified date then the arbitrator files their report and those become the terms of the contract (which the employer can reject).

That at least that is how arbitration works in other collective agreements I've been involved with (though I've usually been involved with 'binding arbitration' where both sides agree to accept whatever the arbitrator says is fair -- but that doesn't apply here).

Or does it work differently than that with the NHL -- presumably it will take some time for the arbitrator to determine 'fair market value' for the player...

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All 3 Thrashers filed

http://www.bluelandblog2.com/2010/07...r-arbitration/

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given what a bunch of UFA d-men got this year

Foster $1.8M
Eaton $2.5M
Wallin $2.5M
Morris $2.75M
Leopold $3M
Lydman $3M
Tallinder $3.375M
Kubina $3.85M
Michalek $4M
Volchenkov $4.25M
Hamhuis $4.5M
Martin $5M
Gonchar $5.5M

I can't see how Girardi's market value would be more than $3M and that's as a UFA which he is not. He is very comparable to Lydman, Morris, and Leopold. As a RFA, I'd expect him to get something in the $2.2-2.5M range. Same on Staal. His UFA market value can't be more than $5M. His RFA value shouldn't be more than $3-3.5M I sure hope Sather will give in on the number a bit (not too much) if it means getting Staal locked in for more years. ie. 6 years at $3.5 vs 4 years at $3M cause I think after 4 years that $3.5M will look like a steal.

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D Dan Girardi files for arbitration.
https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/17819373095

Hearings run from July 20-Aug 4

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Hopefully they can hammer out a longer-term deal before the hearings start. He will only get a 1 year deal from the arbitrator which will make him a UFA after next season. It will more then likely cost more money to re-sign him after next season then it would be to sign him to a longer-term deal now.

Four years $3.1 million cap hit. Get it done!

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Don Meehan is Dan Girardi's agent. He also represents Tim Gleason and Johnny Oduya. Gleason signed a 4 year/$11 million deal two years ago.

08-09-$2 million
09-10-$2.5 million
10-11-$3 million
11-12-$3.5 million

The first two years can be considered Gleason's arbitration years. He would have been a group III this summer thus is making $3 million and $3.5 million over the next two years.

Oduya gave up group III last summer to re-up in Jersey for 3 years/$10.5 million

So give Girardi $2.5 million for his arbitration year and an average of $3.5 million in his next 3 group III years.

That's 4 years/$13 million

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Don Meehan is Dan Girardi's agent. He also represents Tim Gleason and Johnny Oduya. Gleason signed a 4 year/$11 million deal two years ago.

08-09-$2 million
09-10-$2.5 million
10-11-$3 million
11-12-$3.5 million

The first two years can be considered Gleason's arbitration years. He would have been a group III this summer thus is making $3 million and $3.5 million over the next two years.

Oduya gave up group III last summer to re-up in Jersey for 3 years/$10.5 million

So give Girardi $2.5 million for his arbitration year and an average of $3.5 million in his next 3 group III years.

That's 4 years/$13 million
I don't think Girardi is worth $3.5M That's $500k more than Morris, Leopold, Lydman, and Clark got on an open UFA market (who I feel are all comparable players). I think the Gleason 4 year/$11 million would be fair.

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RFAs just arent the bargain that they used to be.

smart UFA signings and getting players locked up to cap eficient long term contracts, and convenient ELC inductions into the lineup are the ways to win championships.

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