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07-07-2010, 06:59 AM
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Prust received $800,000. $222,500 increase from his $577,500 QO.

$9,741,072 summer cap space
How can that be if GapGeek is saying the Rangers currently have $7,890,833 in cap space?

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How can that be if GapGeek is saying the Rangers currently have $7,890,833 in cap space?
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. How would the Rangers be able to re-sign Staal and Girardi, then add the new contracts of MZA and McD after training camp, while still fitting under the regular season salary cap of $59.4 million. According to RangersBoy's numbers they wouldn't be able to fit them under WITH the summer cap included.

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How can that be if GapGeek is saying the Rangers currently have $7,890,833 in cap space?
You can't go strictly by capgeek for determining how much space we have under the summer cap. The players that capgeek shows is the projected regular season roster.

The summer cap includes anyone on a one way contract. So Rissmiller's 1 mil is there. MZA doesn't count because he's on a 2 way contract and didn't play for us last year. I think anyone on a two way contract who was on the roster last year, even for 1 day, counts a certain amount against the summer cap. Byers, Grachev, Heikkinen, Johnson and Weise. I think it's prorated, so it's probably not much. I think for Heikkinen, his QO is used to determine his summer cap number.

Capgeek is also reducing our cap commitments based on rollover bonuses. I don't think you can do that with the summer cap.

RB is usually very good with this stuff. I'm willing to bet that his numbers are right.


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Seemed like a good place to ask this question.

To my understanding if a player does not play a certain amount of games with the team during the season AND is on a 1 way contract, then they do not count against the team's summer cap the following offseason.

An example of this would be Patrick Rissmiller.

Am I correct in my understanding or not? Hopefully RB or another CBA guru can get to the bottom of this.

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Seemed like a good place to ask this question.

To my understanding if a player does not play a certain amount of games with the team during the season AND is on a 1 way contract, then they do not count against the team's summer cap the following offseason.

An example of this would be Patrick Rissmiller.

Am I correct in my understanding or not? Hopefully RB or another CBA guru can get to the bottom of this.
You're incorrect. Rissmiller is on our summer cap. All 1-way contracts count regardless of GP.

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You're incorrect. Rissmiller is on our summer cap. All 1-way contracts count regardless of GP.
Then why according to capgeek.com is Rissmiller considered a non-roster player and his cap hit is not accounted for when considering our remaining cap of aprox 7.8 million?

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Then why according to capgeek.com is Rissmiller considered a non-roster player and his cap hit is not accounted for when considering our remaining cap of aprox 7.8 million?
I don't know, but that site isn't the authority. Probably because he wasn't on the roster last year.

All 1 year contracts, regardless of the player's status, count against the cap in the summertime, before the player can be waived and sent down.

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The answer to a common question is: CapGeek.com does not track the #nhl's summer cap. It projects the 2010-11 in-season cap.
http://twitter.com/capgeek/status/18001874545

The Rangers have $51,821,666 in commitments in one way contracts and players on two way contracts who spent the entire season with the Rangers. Gilroy's stint in the minors doesn't lessen his cap hit because he has a 1 way deal. Includes Brashear and his $1.4 million. Prospal at $2 million

Capgeek has Prospal at $2.1 million including the performance bonuses. That's the number Larry Brooks tweeted. Nick Kypreos tweeted $2 million.

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V Prospol looking at around 1 year/ 1M base salary with Nyr. Bonus can get him near 2M
http://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/17521593092

Add Rissmiller-$1 million. Girardi's $1.6 million QO and Staal's $803,250 QO. The QO's are included in the summer cap. Then you have the players on two way contracts who spent time in the NHL the previous season. Days on the roster count against the cap. Capgeek kept a daily tracker which he took down about a month ago but I kept the last tally on the two way contracts playing in the NHL.

2010-11 is a 186 day season

Chad Johnson(60 days-$274,193 cap hit for 10-11 summer cap),Dale Weise(8 days-$30,107),Evgeny Grachev(1 day-$4,390)and Byers(15 days-$40,322).

That is $55,573,928. Summer cap is $65,340,000. $9,766,072.

Say Girardi signs for $3.25 million per(cap hit). Add $1.65 million to the commitments. Add Staal's number. Say its $4 million. $60,420,678. $4.9 million until reaching the $65.34 million.

The summer cap doesn't include MZA or McDonagh. If they make the team,the Rangers need to clear $3 million to fit them on the roster. Bonuses are included in the cap hit.


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http://twitter.com/capgeek/status/18001874545

The Rangers have $51,821,666 in commitments in one way contracts and players on two way contracts who spent the entire season with the Rangers. Gilroy's stint in the minors doesn't lessen his cap hit because he has a 1 way deal. Includes Brashear and his $1.4 million. Prospal at $2 million

Capgeek has Prospal at $2.1 million including the performance bonuses. That's the number Larry Brooks tweeted. Nick Kypreos tweeted $2 million.



http://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/17521593092

Add Rissmiller-$1 million. Girardi's $1.6 million QO and Staal's $803,250 QO. The QO's are included in the summer cap. Then you have the players on two way contracts who spent time in the NHL the previous season. Days on the roster count against the cap. Capgeek kept a daily tracker which he took down about a month ago but I kept the last tally on the two way contracts playing in the NHL.

2010-11 is a 186 day season

Chad Johnson(60 days-$274,193 cap hit for 10-11 summer cap),Dale Weise(8 days-$30,107),Evgeny Grachev(1 day-$4,390)and Byers(15 days-$40,322).

That is $55,573,928. Summer cap is $65,340,000. $9,766,072.

Say Girardi signs for $3.25 million per(cap hit). Add $1.65 million to the commitments. Add Staal's number. Say its $4 million. $60,420,678. $4.9 million until reaching the $65.34 million.

The summer cap doesn't include MZA or McDonagh. If they make the team,the Rangers need to clear $3 million to fit them on the roster. Bonuses are included in the cap hit.

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Voros, Rissmiller are 2 million that will come off. I expect Brashear to sign in the KHL eventually

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Voros, Rissmiller are 2 million that will come off. I expect Brashear to sign in the KHL eventually
Voros and Rissmiller come off after training camp/before the season starts in early October. That's assuming Voros is sent to the AHL.

Brashear playing in the KHL doesn't help the Rangers. He will still count against the cap. Besides Brashear has a valid NHL contract. The NHL and KHL have an agreement to respect/honor the other guys contracts. The Rangers would need to give Brashear permission to play in the KHL and why would they do that? Unless Sather has a deal cooked up,Brashear is here to stay at $1.4 million or $1.3 million if he assigned to the AHL. Brashear will make $1.3 million in salary this season.

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All Player Salary and Bonuses earned in a League
Year by a Player who is in the second or later year
of a multi-year SPC which was signed when the
Player was age 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to
the League Year in which the SPC is to be
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or Non Roster, and regardless of whether, or where,
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soooooooooo whats the dealio with the cap now ,Girardi , Eminger in, Voros out

how much do they have and how the heck do the bonuses work?

hope they get rid of Brashear next - KHL?

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Here is an interesting yet somewhat comforting observation regarding the cap situation on our current squad.
Letīs assume Marc Staal signs for the 6 years at 4,5 million as a cap hit that has been reported. Nobody takes on Brashear - so we unwillingly keep his cap hit (we could however eventually save 100.000 here!!!). Nothing more is then done. Team looks horrible on paper but wtf - we go to war hoping for the best - right? All rookies wind up in hartford. We then would have the following scenario & team to ice on opening day:

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / Derek Boogaard ($1.625m)
Dead space - Donald Brashear ($1.400m)
NO EXTRA FWD

DEFENSEMEN
* Marc Staal ($4.500m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Michal Rozsival ($5.000m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m) - AN INSTANT REFLECTION - a 8,25 M cap hit on the 3rd pairing D is just unheard of anywhere outside NYC
7th D - Steve Eminger ($1.125m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $61.622m; BONUSES: $2.163m; CAP ROOM: $-0.059m

Miserable fail. The cap situation on this weak (at least on paper) team is shameful and the overview analysis of the General Managements report card of cap management is harsh yet truthful - F-. This currently signed 21 man (Brashear paid but not playing...) New York Rangers squad would not fit under the cap. And we also would max out on the bonus cushion creating bogus consequences for next year as well.
So we factually cannot do "nothing" - assuming Staal is resigned. Even if one of Gilroy or Eminger were to be cut and wind up in Hartford (icing a 20 man squad) - we would be tight against the cap.
Good to know that we cannot do "nothing". Now we will soon find out what doing "something" means.
Maybe we dump Boyle and keep Brashear on the goon 4th line - icing our own version of The Syracuse Bulldogs?


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Here is an interesting yet somewhat comforting observation regarding the cap situation on our current squad.
Letīs assume Marc Staal signs for the 6 years at 4,5 million as a cap hit that has been reported. Nobody takes on Brashear - so we unwillingly keep his cap hit (we could however eventually save 100.000 here!!!). Nothing more is then done. Team looks horrible on paper but wtf - we go to war hoping for the best - right? All rookies wind up in hartford. We then would have the following scenario & team to ice on opening day:

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / Derek Boogaard ($1.625m)
Dead space - Donald Brashear ($1.400m)
NO EXTRA FWD

DEFENSEMEN
* Marc Staal ($4.500m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Michal Rozsival ($5.000m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m) - AN INSTANT REFLECTION - a 8,25 M cap hit on the 3rd pairing D is just unheard of anywhere outside NYC
7th D - Steve Eminger ($1.125m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $61.622m; BONUSES: $2.163m; CAP ROOM: $-0.059m

Miserable fail. The cap situation on this weak (at least on paper) team is shameful and the overview analysis of the General Managements report card of cap management is harsh yet truthful - F-. This currently signed 21 man (Brashear paid but not playing...) New York Rangers squad would not fit under the cap. And we also would max out on the bonus cushion creating bogus consequences for next year as well.
So we factually cannot do "nothing" - assuming Staal is resigned. Even if one of Gilroy or Eminger were to be cut and wind up in Hartford (icing a 20 man squad) - we would be tight against the cap.
Good to know that we cannot do "nothing". Now we will soon find out what doing "something" means.
Maybe we dump Boyle and keep Brashear on the goon 4th line - icing our own version of The Syracuse Bulldogs?
This is why there is a good chance that Redden will be waived at the end of training camp and (Depending on how his camp/pre-season goes) McD will be given every chance to make the team. Then the Rangers would have around $5.5 million in cap space to play around with during the season, or use at the trade deadline if they are in it. Use it on a rental or what have you if the team is in a good playoff position.

That or do nothing because Redden's cap hit is back on next summers summer salary cap. Unless, when he is waived, he refuses to report to Hartford and his contract is voided.

One can dream...

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07-17-2010, 06:02 PM
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Cap geek doesn't use the summer cap. Mats Zuccarello-Assen and Ryan McDonagh don't count in the summer cap. Cap geek has MZA in his Ranger cap calculations. In the summer cap,the only time a player with a 2 way contract counts is if the player played in the NHL last season. Then the days on the roster count towards the following season cap. The Rangers have a handful of those players such as Johnson,Byers,Grachev and Weise. All one way contracts count. Rissmiller counts towards the summer cap.

The CBA states the summer cap is in effect from July 1 until and including the last day of training camp

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