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07-07-2010, 03:57 PM
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How about some more realistic deals:

(1)
Toronto:
RJ Umberger
John Moore
3rd Round 2011

Columbus:
Kaberle
Kenny Ryan

(2)
Toronto:
Brian Rolston
Mattias Tedenby

New Jersey:
Kaberle

(3)
Toronto:
AJ Jenks
David Booth

Florida:
Kaberle
Jerry D'Amigo


Much better!

The only realistic one is the NJ proposal.

Columbus laughs, Florida throws sharp objects at you, and NJ accepts.

I guess 1 of 3 isn't bad for a Leafs fan.

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07-07-2010, 04:01 PM
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none of these really excite me too much. even if we got simmonds is he not a right winger? we would need to either move him to the left side or move armstrong/versteeg. it wouldnt really be that beneficial. same with seto, i thought he is a righty as well.

if we are going to trade kaberle we are going to **** up our defense big time imo. im for trading kabs but it should be to fill another hole not to add more depth to a position we are already solid at (technically speaking-right wing : kessel-versteeg-armstrong-orr)

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Thomas Kaberle



Patrick Berglund
Brandon Crombeen
STL Conditional 2012 Draft Pick

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07-07-2010, 04:08 PM
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Much better!

The only realistic one is the NJ proposal.

Columbus laughs, Florida throws sharp objects at you, and NJ accepts.

I guess 1 of 3 isn't bad for a Leafs fan.
All 3 of those are terrible. Really bad.

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All 3 of those are terrible. Really bad.
For the opposite team, yes.

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PITTSBURGH
Thomas Kaberle
Mikhail Grabovski
Chocolate Milkshake

TORONTO
Sidney Crosby

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PITTSBURGH
Thomas Kaberle
Mikhail Grabovski
Chocolate Milkshake

TORONTO
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07-07-2010, 04:15 PM
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Much better!

The only realistic one is the NJ proposal.

Columbus laughs, Florida throws sharp objects at you, and NJ accepts.

I guess 1 of 3 isn't bad for a Leafs fan.
Columbus deal is even. Umberger is good, but is overpaid, and has limited offenive upside. And Moore didnt have a great season considering the strength of Kitchener this year.

Maybe the Florida deal is more in favour of the Leafs, but Florida is looking to completely change the team. While Kaberle is older, he still has 4 - 5 good years left, and could be a stud with McCabe, who were the league top pairing in 05 - 06

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For the opposite team, yes.
No. Only 1 of those it terrible for the other team.

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I could go for something like this.

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You guys realize once Kaberle leaves Toronto, they will just move onto Beauchemin...
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At this point, I'd rather keep Kaberle and trade Beauchemin for Clowe.
They will never stop

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07-07-2010, 04:25 PM
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Kaberle and Stefanovich to the Rangers for Drury and Kreider.

or

Kaberle to Tampa For Malone and Panik.

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07-07-2010, 04:30 PM
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07-07-2010, 04:43 PM
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Do we really need another repeat of the last thread????

Let's try and clarify the insanity....

The Leafs do not have a good team, and it is because the have no top line LW and their #1 centre is Mikhail Grabovski; not because the Leafs need more 2nd-and-3rd line talent. They've got a good top line RW (Kessel), a pair of 2nd line centres (Grabo & Bozak), a pair of 2nd line wingers (Kulemin & Verseeeg), 4 solid "bottom 6" wingers with a couple young guys to challenge (Armstrong, Sjostrom, Brown, Orr + Caputi/Hanson), and a 4th line centre (Mitchell). On D, they've got a group that should be very solid if tehy stay healthy, and in goaltending, they've got hope, but Burke has stated that he has no in making a move at this point in time. We problably could use a #3 centre two-way centre, but that really isn't too big of an issue when the Leafs cold sign a player like Brendan Morrison or Eric Belanger.

Trading Kaberle would create another hole, in the form of a puckmoving #4 defenceman to play with Mike Komisarek; who as most of the league knows, is completely useless when it comes to handling the puck.

Burke has stated his intentions to improve this teams on-ice performance immidiately; so any trade that happens must go towards accomplishing that. Otherwise, the Leafs are better off to resign him long term, like he has repeatedly stated a desire to do. This means that any player / package the Leafs trade Kaberle for must fullfill the following needs; and do it IN A BETTER FASHION THAN SIGNING ONE OF THE AVAILABLE REMAINING FREE AGENTS, because the Leafs do have enough cap space to sign pretty much anyone left on the market but Kovalchuk. The players acquired also must have a future with the Leafs, because they are not gearing up for a 1-year run.

Top Line LW w/ Size
Upgrade on Grabovski
Replacement puckmoving blueliner

Now, you'll notice that every one of these assets are "now" assets; which poses a difficulty because any team acquiring Kaberle must have an urgency for a puckmoving blueliner now; and the teams who are in win-now mode have no interest in trading valuable players.

So, you look at teams around the league and ask yourself, who would really want Kaberle to the point where they'd value him with 1 year left on the deal as greater than the Leafs would with an extension in place; and be willing to part with a roster asset that would hold as much value to the Leafs. Looking at the usual culprits....

Anaheim - Nope, they have a puckmover in Visnovsky and aren't really in a position to gear up for a run right now.

Boston - Possibly, likely depends on how much Wheeler costs them.

Buffalo - Nope, they got Leopold and Myers can move the puck. They are not gearing up for a 1-year run. They do not have an abundance of talent at the position of the player the Leafs would demand in return (Roy).

Dallas - Nope, need a puckmover but are not in a win-now mode.

Los Angeles - They have Doughty + Johnson, and would be unwilling to part with the player the Leafs need (JJ or Brown).

New Jersey - Do not have the cap space to make more additions. Tallinder will have to suffice.

San Jose - Have Dan Boyle and would be unwilling to part with anything that suits our needs and is better than keeping Kaberle + signing free agents.

Remember that it takes two teams to make a trade; if your team wants Tomas Kaberle, chances are that the Leafs are going to want your most valuable players. If you don't have the right players for the Leafs, we're most likely not interested in talking to you. Amongst the teams listed above, there are many players that the Leafs would be interested in adding at teh cost of Tomas Kaberle (depending on the player it could be Kaberle+ for Player or Player+ for Kaberle), unless you are willing to part with one of those players, the Leafs aren't interested in dealing Tomas Kaberle. Everyone else is either not good enough to fill one of the holes in our lineup, paid too much money, or not a signficant enough upgrade on whats available in the free agent market.

They are (in team order): Bobby Ryan, Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Marc Savard, Patrice Bergeron, David Krejci, Derek Roy, James Neal, Loui Eriksson, Jamie Benn, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Dustin Brown, Jack Johnson, Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, Patrik Elias, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Joe Pavelski.

Should any of those teams part with one of those players for a deal that involves Tomas Kaberle? Problably not. The only one you could make a case for is Boston and they have plenty of cap issues to deal with, plus they'd have to be extremely confident in their ability to resign him. Therefore, these types of threads are useless. Moving a player with salary at this time of year for something that improves your team is next to impossible unless you are able to find a perfect fit. The perfect fit for Tomas Kaberle is in Toronto.

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07-07-2010, 04:43 PM
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How about some more realistic deals:

(1)
Toronto:
RJ Umberger
John Moore
3rd Round 2011

Columbus:
Kaberle
Kenny Ryan
Not a snowball's chance in hell. RJ Umberger isn't available for any price and we have no need or use for Ryan. Moore might be tradable, but not for a guy we'll only have for one year.

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Columbus deal is even. Umberger is good, but is overpaid, and has limited offenive upside. And Moore didnt have a great season considering the strength of Kitchener this year.

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To the leafs: Tomas Kaberle


Leafs get: Tomas Kaberle

Value's about even

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Jfried that was pretty hysterical. Thanks

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To the leafs: Tomas Kaberle


Leafs get: Tomas Kaberle

Value's about even
Awwwww....I did that on page 1

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Awwwww....I did that on page 1
It's not right to claim exclusive credit, though. It's a pretty reasonable deal; a lot of folks are going to be thinking about it. I'm just surprised the media hasn't pounced on it already.

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Awwwww....I did that on page 1
It's alright, your explanations made it seem much more feasible.

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There's really only one possible trade left involving Kaberle:

Kaberle for Kaberle

About equal value, and fills a need for the leafs in that they get a veteran PMD to replace Kaberle. And he wants to play in Toronto.

Toronto may be overpaying by a bit, but to get a player of Kaberle's caliber from Burke you're going to have to make sure Toronto gets back a big name player.

Works out for both sides I think.
The Leafs may have to add a first, but then the leafs also add a third. Kaberle just isn't quite worth Kaberle. Add in the picks to balance it out.

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The perfect fit for Tomas Kaberle is in Toronto.
By far the most sensible statement ever to appear in a Kaberle trade thread.

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