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07-09-2010, 03:57 PM
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And you're kidding yourself.
Offensively, he probably is pretty dang close to Gagne's talent level. I'd take Gagne 10 times out of 10 over Zherdev of course, but he has the ability to replace Gagne's offensive production for a cheaper price if we do indeed trade Simon. I still hope that doesn't happen though. Trade Carle, Homer! Please!

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Carter Richards Carle Coburn Carcillo and now Zherdev...Homer loves that 2003 draft

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Well ****, why don't we just trade Gagne for Jones and get this ****fest rolling.

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Gagne- Richards- Zherdev(2.75 mil)
Hartnell- briere- leino
JVR- Carter- giroux
Carcillo(1.2 mil)- betts- lappy
Nodl

Pronger- Mez
Timonen- Coburn
O'D - Bart

Turco(2.25 mil) (50-55 starts)
Leighton (27-32 starts)

I'm not at a computer, does that keep us under the cap? If it does that's a sick mf'n lineup. Even better if we can fetch a high 2nd for carle. Let boosh walk and superstar is cut.

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And you're kidding yourself.
No. YOU are kidding yourself. Zherdev has more talent, is younger, and more durable, but the motivation factor is a huge question mark.

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Never. Gonna. Happen.

NOW STOP POSTING IT!
Darren Dreger is a notch up from Eklund in my books. That puts him at notch 1. TSN is trying to compete with the Bloggers, I don't know what is real and what is BS anymore. It would be nice to have a legitimate source to rely on. It seems everyone is reporting anything they hear these days.

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And you're kidding yourself.



No...he's bang on. If Zherdev is motivated and plays to his ability he'll explode on this team. The stretch passes and room that some of our guys get would have been a dream for Zherdev on the Jackets or Rags. If we get a happy Zherdev, I'll be a happy camper.

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Good signing, but hopefully not for too much. I would seriously love to trade Carle, Shelley and Boucher for even just picks and maybe sign Turco for cheap. Pretty much what CannonGoBoom said.

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No. YOU are kidding yourself. Zherdev has more talent, is younger, and more durable, but the motivation factor is a huge question mark.
I've watched Zherdev a lot, and I've never seen anything that puts him on Gagne's level. Just because he is Russian doesn't make him the next Mogilny.

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I've watched Zherdev a lot, and I've never seen anything that puts him on Gagne's level. Just because he is Russian doesn't make him the next Mogilny.
There's no need to be jealous simply because you are of an inferior bloodline.


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A russian on a one-year deal playing for a big contract? This guy left for the KHL and found out pretty quickly thathe needs to be in North America.

The Flyers will probably get more out of him than any NHL team in the past I think.

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to LA: Carle, DenverBoone, Shelley, Boucher, 2nd in 2021

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Sadly, LA is probably the 2nd most stacked defense probably right now, or at least their pool is. They have the scariest group of young d-men probably in all the league.

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I've watched Zherdev a lot, and I've never seen anything that put's him on Gagne's level. Just because he is Russian doesn't make him the next Mogilny.
If by talent, we are referring to the ability to do things that can't be taught, then there is no doubt that Zherdev has more talent. I agree that he is not, at present, a better player than Simon though.

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I've watched Zherdev a lot, and I've never seen anything that puts him on Gagne's level. Just because he is Russian doesn't make him the next Mogilny.
I never said he was. But offensively he is miles ahead of Gagne at this point in his career. Defensively, its still uncertain, but I think Gagne edges him out. If he actually plays to his capabilities, and for wahtever his price tag is, you wont be disappointed.

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Sadly, LA is probably the 2nd most stacked defense probably right now, or at least their pool is. They have the scariest group of young d-men probably in all the league.
Nashville is fighting for that spot.

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Zherdev has all the skills and desire to be as offensively talented as Gagne.

Zherdev has none of the skills or desire to be as defensively talented as Gagne.

Zherdev does not have the injury history Gagne does, but he also doesn't have nearly the same intangibles.

He's half of Gagne basically. At half the price of Gagne on a one-year deal, I'm okay with it.

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I never said he was. But offensively he is miles ahead of Gagne at this point in his career. Defensively, its still uncertain, but I think Gagne edges him out. If he actually plays to his capabilities, and for wahtever his price tag is, you wont be disappointed.
Simon Gagne put up 33-33-66 when he was 21.

Zherdev put up 27-27-54 when he was 21.

They both had disappointing 22 y/o seasons, but Gagne put up 5 less points in 25 less games. The following year Gagne was playing a checking role for the club, and then came back and put up 47 goals after the lockout.

I'm sorry, but please put away the Russophile glasses for a moment, and live with us here in reality.

Oh, and I completely whiffed on the "Defensively, its still uncertain, but I think Gagne edges him out." HAHAHAHAHAHA.... HA...haaa....ha.

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I never said he was. But offensively he is miles ahead of Gagne at this point in his career. Defensively, its still uncertain, but I think Gagne edges him out. If he actually plays to his capabilities, and for wahtever his price tag is, you wont be disappointed.


gagne on an average season will score 30 goals....zherdev has never done that

i agree that he has better hands/skills, but miles ahead?? thats an absurd statement

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So I guess this is an Emery kind of deal? Questionable character coming back from Russia on a cheap one year "prove yourself" deal.

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Simon Gagne put up 33-33-66 when he was 21.

Zherdev put up 27-27-54 when he was 21.

They both had disappointing 22 y/o seasons, but Gagne put up 5 less points in 25 less games. The following year Gagne was playing a checking role for the club, and then came back and put up 47 after the lockout.

I'm sorry, but please put away the Russophile glasses for a moment, and live with us here in reality.
And look at the teams Gagne played on and look at the teams Zherdev played on. Columbus was horrible.

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So I guess this is an Emery kind of deal? Questionable character coming back from Russia on a cheap one year "prove yourself" deal.
what are the chances that his skeleton also turns to dust?

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gagne on an average season will score 30 goals....zherdev has never done that

i agree that he has better hands/skills, but miles ahead?? thats an absurd statement
IF he plays to his abilities on the top line. His motivation is the key factor. He wont produce anything if he doesnt get his head outta his @ss, but if he does, then you will grow to like him.

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And look at the teams Gagne played on and look at the teams Zherdev played on. Columbus was horrible.
17, 41, 31, 27, 38, 40, 33.... what are those numbers? Rick Nash's goal totals.

If Zherdev was "miles" ahead of Gagne, then it wouldn't be a factor. You can get your numbers playing for bad teams. Zherdev is a better stickhandler than Gagne, but he has not displayed better offensive talent at any point in his career than Gagne has shown.

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